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Still Trying to Register!

Started by Karen Thomas. Last reply by Karen Thomas yesterday. 56 Replies

Before I go nuts this is the state of play:I have been running around in circles playing chicken and egg.I need to register in France to get a SS number, Carte Vitale and register as an AE.CPAM do…Continue

Protecting your Personal Property

Started by Louise Doddrell. Last reply by Brian Milne yesterday. 6 Replies

Hello All.  Just wondered, has anybody been to a notaire to do a 'déclaration d'insaisissabilité' so as to protect your home and personal property if your company has debts or goes bankrupt?Continue

Stage de Formation

Started by John Jarvie. Last reply by Rachael Fillatre on Monday. 11 Replies

Hello All,I am trying to register as an Auto-entrepreneur and find that I have to do a 'Stage' of 5 days costing around €400.  Can anyone out there tell me what this is all about?  Can I avoid it?…Continue

CFE tax

Started by Martin Williams. Last reply by Rachael Fillatre on Saturday. 1 Reply

Just grabbed this off scoop.it about the new cfe tax.http://www.scoop.it/t/the-france-news-networkContinue

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Comment by Steve YATES on October 12, 2014 at 9:14

When I read the rules for the CESU system thinking I would use it to pay someone to build a veranda for me, I came to the conclusion that it was far too complicated and potentially dangerous if you would be paying the same person on a regular basis. For example, they could ask for an employment contract and holiday pay.  It really does just seem suitable for people doing a few hours for a few different "employers".  

Comment by Robert Scotton on October 11, 2014 at 14:44

From what I gather Veronique cheque emploi is similar to PAYE in the UK. There are rules to be observed, presumably, limits to be applied. Then the social charges to pay on top of course, which is almost double. Then, if you are a taxpayer you can claim some of this back I understand. All sounds like a complete headache to me. Of course I haven't grown up with the system. Plus, they, the ordinary householder has to have an employers insurance as well.

When I ran a PAYE system for the people working for me in the UK I wouldn't call that simple. Much easier just to paye the individual and let them worry about their own tax liabilities as we do in the UK. Unless you are an Employer.

Which system would I prefer.......by far, the UK model.


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Comment by Véronique Langlands on October 11, 2014 at 13:52

??? Chèque emploi service is EASY!! What do you mean responsibilities that go with it? Apart from paying social charges as any employer should, there aren't any. It really is simple. There is no 'chèque emploi status' it is just a way of LEGALLY employing somebody to do odd-jobs or one-off bits of work. If you think employing a person legally gives you headaches, try doing it on the black.

Comment by Sharon Went on October 11, 2014 at 13:21

Thanks for the advice, in some ways it has become a little clearer and I think I should be aiming for CDD status but I know that the school is not keen on this (I don't want to jeopardise getting this job).  There is a possibility that I could have a couple of private students as well....that sounds like I'd have to do cheque emploi as well...I agree Robert, it is all rather a mess!!

Comment by Robert Scotton on October 11, 2014 at 12:29

I was going to suggest "cheque emploi" but didn't know exactly the conditions required. What a dreadfully complicated system the french have created for themselves. If I were a private individual there is no way I would want to offer my gardener a cheque emploi status simply because of the responsibilities that go with it. My french neighbour does it for her gardener and I regularly copy all the documents she has to produce. Well, every 3 months anyway?

These are the sort of changes that the government need to look at "post haste" in my opinion. There must be thousands and thousands of people willing to work but can't for one reason or another???


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Comment by Véronique Langlands on October 11, 2014 at 12:01

Vacataire status applies only to the public sector (Education Nationale) so you need a CDD stipulating part-time work from the company who have set up the school.

Lots of private companies talk about emplying people with vacataire status but it has no legal basis at all where they are concerned.

Another possibility might be cheque emploi-service but again I'm not sure a commercial entity can pay people that way, just private individuals.

Comment by Katie Osborne on October 11, 2014 at 11:51

sharon you could be asked to be paid as a "vacataire" which is a temporary contract and most language schools offer this to non AE people.  As you also need to be able to invoice at least 2 companies to be an AE - otherwise you are considered as an employee.

Comment by Sharon Went on October 11, 2014 at 11:20

Hi there, I wonder if anyone can advise; I'm due to start running English language classes two days a week and will have to register as an AE in order to invoice the company that have set up the school.  I don't really want to go down this road and someone mentioned to my OH that I can invoice another way, using a 'cheque de something'...sorry to be vague but this wasn't a direct conversation!  Is there any other way apart from AE or ME?

Comment by Louise Doddrell on June 2, 2014 at 10:49

I am in the Centre, the Loiret (45) not far from Orléans and Fontainebleau.

Comment by Rachael Fillatre on June 2, 2014 at 7:56

Hi Louise, I'm in the Gers and you?

 
 
 

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