the Art & Design Department

neil whitehead's picture

A place to show off your paintings, drawings, illustrations,graphics, sculptures, ceramics and design projects. Swap info on all matters artistic and design including graphics, products, cars and architecture.  Advertise up and coming art events or your own shows.

neil whitehead's picture

I didn't know a wall was in place so please remove it!

neil whitehead's picture

We've had this problem for some time that there doesn't seem to be much interest here.

James Higginson's picture

The chat wall doesn't help. It discourages discussion posts and the wall comments don't appear in the main activity feed so nobody sees them except the group members. I suggest we remove it and get some good discussions going in it's place.

suzy davis's picture

I'd be up for it,but theres only a couple of us responding now.....

neil whitehead's picture

Sounds good to me. Sometime ago I tried to instigate a weekly/monthly challenge along the lines of www.dailypaintworks.com/Challenges but there were no takers

James Higginson's picture

How about artists post a new discussion containing their work, as many or as few pieces as they choose with a little or a lot of info, again as they see fit and one will be selected every week to feature in the 'Worth a read on SFN' emails. The artist can use the post to link back to their work on their own site if they want to. How does that sound?

suzy davis's picture

Hi Debra, I'd be more than happy to paint your daughter,pleased you like my site.

James,what would you have in mind as a regular feature?

James Higginson's picture

We could do a regular feature if anyone is interested?

James Higginson's picture

NIce to see this group active again!

Debra Lee's picture

A pastel portrait of my daughter when she was a younger teenager.  This is a study I did as a demonstration.  I apologize for the quality of the photograph.  This was just a quick snapshot.  Never did get my photographer to shoot it.  I have to remedy that situation.

Debra Lee's picture

Suzy...I checked out your website.  Your watercolor portraits are exquisite.  I will take some new photos of my daughter so that you might create a portrait for me.  I will most likely commission you in July but sooner if a potential customer purchases a painting of which she is highly enamored.  There is also another potential customer for it.

Debra Lee's picture

Neil...if you read my comment to Perry, you will see I buy other artist's work.  Just wanted to give you a heads up that I am eyeing a couple of your paintings as well.  I like the way that you apply your paint as well as your subject matter.

Debra Lee's picture

Hi Perry.  I checked out your website.  As Suzy said, the humor in your work is wonderful.  I believe I am going to have to purchase a giclee print as a gift to myself for my birthday.  I collect other artist's work that speaks to me...and I think artists should support other artists.

suzy davis's picture

Wow you certainly get around Perry.Yes I'm in Paris. My paintings wouldn't sell as such,well I'm told nooone would have a painting of someone else on their walls,however I would buy such a painting because I like the style or subject.So I can only hope for commissions.This is the problem with being a realistic figurative painter.

Perry Taylor's picture

Suzy, I have a list of my events (more to follow, once confirmed) for this year. Mostly around SW France. Are you in Paris then?Neil, I have a 4x3m barnum tent, seeing your 3x3m one, I can't imagine it being a problem to do the same? The cafes just behind are an added bonus!

suzy davis's picture

I shall look out for you in September.I loved the Confit de Canard.The mix of english humour and french life works so well.

neil whitehead's picture

Hi Perry, too true about the wife's input!

I'll get the details for the Pau events - you have to go before a couple of ladies to get approved then you get a letter from the Mayor. There about 50 artists on the list and about 20 turn up but more in the summer months especially if good weather is predicted. It's a very nice way to spend a Sunday even if you don't sell anything - and there are the bars behind!

Perry Taylor's picture

Hi Suzy,Thanks for the compliment. Our stand was stormed throughout the The France Show, so we've already booked for next year.French people love my work, as they find themselves and their ways portrayed in a sympathetic and humorous way. They often ask how an outsider can get them down to the last detail. I love observing and have a gift that allows me to put it down on paper. In fact, the director of the Gers Tourist board has made me the invité d'honneur at the big floating market of SW France that happens every September in Paris, saying that I've become an ambassador for the Gers! My first book of collected drawings, called Petites Gasconneries, is a big hit. I'm about to have the third edition printed after just eight months. This all beats creating graphic work for others, by far, despite less earnings. I've been registered for just over ten years with the URSAF, so hopefully that will give me some return… Right, back to the drawing board; I have a few wine drawings to finish for Saturday!

suzy davis's picture

Hi Perry,I googled you and saw your work,I bet it went down a bomb in London at the French Show.You look very professional and organized and a huge portefolio,well done.I always appreciate artists like yourself with a humouristique style,as I find it hard,I'm more realistic.How does it go down with the French,do they see themselves in your drawings?

So you went through what I did when you arrived,I was refused by MDA because I had no reproduced work,I do storyboards.So not a 'real artist'.I spent 10 years as profession liberale,paying a fortune to Urssaf,before finally being accepted by MDA.They obviously saw there was a huge market and opened up there critere for joining.This is a very sore point with me as I lost out on my pension for those years.

Where do you live?

Perry Taylor's picture

This Saturday and Sunday, there is the St Mont fête du vin. I will have my stand in front of the main chai. There is also a collection of artists and artisans up in the sale des fêtes. Music, demonstrations, wine tasting (naturally) and a repas at lunchtime.

Perry Taylor's picture

Debra,

Hello. I started off here registered as a graphic designer. That put me into the 'Profession Libérale' category, along with architects. I was not allowed to register with the Maison des artistes because I was reproducing commercial art (i.e. folders, brochures, posters etc.) for my clients. You'll pay about half the 'cotisations', being with the maison des artists, but will get the same cover. You'd still have to take out a 'mutuelle' insurance to cover the extra percentage on medical care, wherever you go. I now only draw for myself and am beginning to make a living from it, So I may try to move over to the Maison des artists myself.

Perry Taylor's picture

Hi Neil,

I like the look of the Pau boulevard of art. Is there a contact person for this? I presume one needs public liability insurance (in case someone trips over your tent!) and to be registered fiscally in some way? Or do we artists have some leeway?

By the way, I have exactly the same problem with pricing, so I leave it to my wife, Caroline. She goes too high for my feeling and she thinks I'm giving it away. We normally come out closer to her figure than mine!

neil whitehead's picture

Debra, I've been selling my paintings for 45 years and I still find it difficult to put a price on my work. My wife often says my prices are too low and she ran a gallery for 25 years. It's easier when my work is in a gallery as the owner will be a guide but there are very few in this part of France - most of them are owned by artists who only exhibit their own work so I have expos in restaurants and at the vineyard open days which is great fun.

suzy davis's picture

Yes Debra,if you're going to set up as an artist and selling, you'll have to pay into the system.Your french is good? As theres lots of form filling in to go through.

Debra Lee's picture

Neil...the best way to set prices for your art is to go to exhibitions, art shows, and check artist's websites on the Internet.  Find work that is similar to yours in size and medium.  Then price your work in a similar range.  Make certain the artists whose work you are viewing are at the same level as you in their careers.  Read their resumes and biographies.

Debra Lee's picture

Hi Suzy...  I am going to be living in Quillan in Langue-Roussillon...or somewhere in that vicinity.  Actually, I didn't know about la Maison des Artistes but I will certainly look into it now.  I will be joining some arts organizations next month...Art du Pastel en France and, if I am accepted, the Société des Pastellistes de France.  I already belong to the Facebook groups and have befriended quite a few French artists.  

neil whitehead's picture

I find setting a price for my work is the difficult part.

suzy davis's picture

Hi Debra,thanks for the nice words about my painting.I've noticed that selling art also depends on who you know,and if you're already mixing with rich people you can charge higher prices.I think pastel work will go down well here. I don't belong to any art organizations,however when you move here you'll have to sign up with La Maison des Artistes for social charges and cover.I imagine you know about that.Where in France are you going to live?

Debra Lee's picture

Hi Suzy...  Your watercolor portrait is marvelous.  Wonderful brushwork and you captured her expression beautifully.  I can see where Paris would be a more difficult market.  It seems to be similar to New York where one does much better if one's style is contemporary.  Admirers but no buyers is a common experience for artists.  Over the years, when I was doing an outdoor art festival nearly every weekend, viewers would gush over my work, take my business card, and then I never heard from them again.  Most of my sales are to repeat customers...the few that really are interested in owning original art.  And yes, Neil, marketing requires a considerable amount of time that could be spent making art and doing things infinitely more fun than business.  But I have lived most of my life off the money I earn selling my art so I understand the importance of the business end of it.  I also know how to live frugally.  :)  However, I know several artists who are earning a very good income marketing their art online.  Since I have had a good experience with just a mini step in that direction, I am going to explore it further.  Do either of you belong to any French arts organizations/societies?

suzy davis's picture

Thanks Neil....maybe I should move south.!