2025 tax return for 2024 income

Me too. Not controlled but over exposed. :grin:

Haha, I actually did madames yesterday and initially indeed fell foul of the carry forward trap -

I recorded the interest in box 2TR - all greyed out, I had to click the pen icon, then added the 'foreign Siret number and the amount.

Gleefully added same amount to the 2047 - when arriving at the end, I thought that looks a bit too high - checking, sure enough there were 2 x the interest amounts against 2TR.

Doing mine, I just ignored 2TR and interest was duly logged against 2TR from the 2047.

PS going back to the 2047 box 252 or box 260 for interest debate, this time I just stuck it in 252 - simples, one paste, and it is reported as 252/260 anyway.

Some of you may have received, or will shortly receive the following security update introducing two stage authentication to access your Impôts espace particulier

Thanks George. I received that this morning. I suppose it was only a matter of time. The fisc was one of the very few important websites left where I didn’t need 2-step verification.

FYI Avis d’impôt 2025 (ie tax statements), confirming either refunds or demands/timetables for payments on 2024 income, are now ‘rolling off the presses’ of the Impôts. I received mine earlier this morning.

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Thanks George.
Just checked my “espace particulier” and our avis has arrived too.
Lower than I expected.

Ours hasn’t.

Just to note, especially for newly arrived, that these are issued over months. People who declare on paper are dealt with second, and even online there are wide variations. One year we didn’t get our avis until after christmas.

I did a paper return… so not received the official Avis yet…
however, a Refund arrived in my bank account a couple of days ago… hurrah…

I am hoping that they don’t change their minds because they told me the minute I completed both of mine this year that there was €0 to pay. :joy:

My Avis d’Impôt has just arrived by post ! :+1:

it explains why we are/were due the Refund… but, with the expected reduction in Allowances, I reckon there won’t be any refund next year… :roll_eyes:

Hope this isn’t a repeated question.

I have a small rental income from Germany + a small rental income from France. The total of the 2 combined is less than 15,000€/yr. I declare and pay tax in Germany for the German income, but I have no other income from Germany. So I declare the German rental income in 4BK and 8TK. I declare the FR rental income in 4BE as a combined figure of the 2 rental incomes.

On my avis d’imposition I can see “Crédits d’impôts revenus étrangers” under CSG-CRDS and also under Prel. Soc. But the total of the 2 credits is less than the tax I paid to the Germans. Is this normal ? And am I declaring correctly?

Thanks so much. Very grateful for help.

Definitely not a repeat question! :grinning_face:

Looking at 2047 (ie the foreign income notes), page 2 (see below) the tax treaty with Germany is one where France gives you its own tax credit equal to the French tax on the income (to neutralise/eliminate any direct French liability on that income). This would probably explain why the tax you pay in Germany could be quite different to the credit that France awards you. 2047 also agrees with your declaration of the German income in 8TK and 4BK.

I’m not sure it’s correct to also include the German rent on the main 2042 return in 4BE - the notes simply say 8TK etc as above.

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Thank you George, you’re good at this stuff!! I included them both together in 4BE because I do not declare in FR as “réel”. I wonder if it would be sufficient to declare German rental income only in 4BK and 8TK, and French rental income only in 4BE? And if I did, how would it alter my avis d’imposition?

Good to try and sort these niggles out when it isn’t tax season !!

That said, looking at the simulateur, which should be similar, if not identical to the layout of the actual tax return 2042, box 4BK where you report the German rent, has the words ‘dont recettes de source étrangère ouvrant droit’.. etc next to it. This implies it is a subset of the income reported in the box physically above it, 4BE. So it probably makes (some?!) sense to continue to report the combined rent in 4BE and your German rent in 4BK as before.

We’re lucky to have your advise here George.

Thank you so much.