A no-deal Brexit spells trouble for Emmanuel Macron

I have absolutely no idea why you think SF is ‘non-partisan’?

We have never said that! Like any other media outlet we have an editorial policy and we are firmly anti-Brexshit.

We absolutely defend any posters right to politely express their opinions but don’t be surprised if the majority of the readership disagree with you.

The Mail is always there for anyone who wants to hark back to the good old days . And the pro-lifers too for that matter…

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Just like watching May defend her deal in the Commons :joy:

Well said Catherine.
If they voted to take away our lifestyle and rights, they should be prepared to take the flak and anything else some may choose to throw in their general direction

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I agree that people on both sides of the argument have a right to express their views. However, many of the anti- brexiteers are offensive and rude. There is no need for this. I am also concerned as to how many still choose to live in the UK or are they writing from their new country?

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Don’t understand Daryl - can you clarify please ?

Just picked this up - love it ::stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye::stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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I often look at the papers front pages on line to check on key messages and we know they are mostly all pandering to lefty luvvies through to right wing counterparts in short their readership across the spectrum - its as old as the hills but just another form of echo chamber, championing and thought leadership. The Mail is not alone in this and my step father loves it :rofl:

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Interesting & at a time like this, irresistible to check out the comments, which sometimes are very informative…Sometimes this leads to online research & fact checking…I am far more/better informed than I as a couple of years ago, even though I did know what I was voting for & my position hasn’t changed…

Even if one doesn’t live in one’s country of origin, one may have the bulk of one’s family & friends there…and have an opinion & care about, what presents a better future for the country & for them & theirs…
The Brexit v the EU question is a complex one & one has to take into account the forecasts of ‘Ever closer Union’ & a federal Europe,compulsory use of the Euro etc, etc. If it is going to be this difficult to leave amicably now, then it would be even harder, a few years down the line. The UK leaving may shake things up sufficiently to make it easier for other countries in the EU to retain more individual autonomy. If they had listened to Cameron, instead of treating him with utter destain, then the referendum would probably never happened.

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My mistake then … but that goes along way to explaining why, (even though in the days when you used to display a map with markers, showing the fairly large membership)…there are just a small number who actually bother to post an opinion…Perhaps, like myself, they signed up, not realising that one had to be a fully paid up member of the Labour, Socialist Workers party or Momentum…Come to think of it…I wonder what kind of a reception good old 1 weak A level Corbyn would get if he dropped you a line…Confusing isn’t it , politics ?

There’ a much bigger picture here…it’s not just about you…

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I disagree…(obviously)…you are probably aware of a lot of material online that explores the origins of the EU…Have you come across Dr Vernon Coleman re this ?..Makes for interesting reading, I think, (but you will probably disagree.)…
One thing is for sure, the rise of the right & far right, has not come from nowhere…I would say that it is down to successive governments not listening…Merkel has discovered that people do not want ultra free movement & a complete open door policy…

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@Hilary_Jane_Dunk, I don’t think the negotiations haven’t been amicable it’s just that the UK has been unrealistic in their ambitions for a future relationship with the EU, I don’t like the phrase ‘cake and eat it’ but it is apt.

David Cameron got it totally wrong in demanding concessions from the EU that they couldn’t possibly grant so came back from Brussels with next to nothing which UKIP and co duly exploited. To be honest if you look back over the last 40 years of the UK’s membership of the EEC/EU it has never been a willing participant in the project so maybe Europe will be better off when the UK leaves.

Whatever your reasons for voting Leave (assuming you were able to vote) you have to admit that Brexit is a leap into the unknown with regard to the UK’s future prosperity.

The only thing I will accept though is that Brexit has to happen even if it may only be temporary.

As a french man, I can tell there is a lot of revenge feeling and a kind of anger from Emmanuel Macron and plenty of french economists and politicians against the british. I know it sounds completely stupid and childish, but during the last 15 years the british press never stopped to do french bashing always trying to lower France’s economy. And now that Emmanuel Macron has a powerful seat and can dictate his rules, he’s doing it and using the opportunity to get a revenge on the british.

Whatever you are for or again the brexit, I am just sad for the british. And I really hope it will be positive for their country on the long term.

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I’m aware we’ve been here before Hilary - so I’ll keep it short(ish). :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

  1. By voting for Brexit you have denied the ‘bulk’ of your family and friends the rights and privileges you have enjoyed and clearly (i.e. you are now French resident) benefited from over the past 40 odd years.

  2. The UK chose not to use the Euro as its currency - so patently there is no compulsion to do so.

  3. Nothing wrong with a Federal Europe - nothing to be scared of - bring it on!

  4. The UK has been ‘autonomous’ (something to do with the ‘S’ word?) since the Romans left a while back.

  5. Cameron turned out to be a dick who completely misjudged the mood of the electorate and the UK’s over-inflated sense of self-importance.

  6. As for Macron - well he’s let me down! He was elected as French President by a huge majority based on his reform manifesto. Such a shame he didn’t strike whilst the iron was hot and get on with it!

Feel free to respond if you like but it’s pointless really - we’re from different planets.

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Morning @Hilary_Jane_Dunk - personally I think its relatively clear here on which way most people view “the truth”. Cat and others have been open about this. There is no censorship here though we shouldn’t expect to win popularity contests with a pro brexit viewpoint.

I like to see a rainbow - okay there’s a few colours which aren’t my favourite but when viewed as a whole its to be enjoyed.

I view opinions in the same way, unless the views are ultra extreme/ illegal, and its healthy to see that we don’t agree because it means we haven’t all been institutionally indoctrinated.

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Morning @anon87147852

Snippet from the Daily Mail this morning - in contrast to the manufactured image we saw yesterday it appears to present a challenging view of returning “Jihadi brides”?

The problem with the Daily mail is trying to work out what their agenda is behind every story. Even their human interest stories are based on how they want us to react and pushing the buttons of the gullible or worse still right wing flog 'em and hang 'em brigade.

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John, (concerned that you’ll ‘bustabloodvessel’)…

My ‘c’est nes pas grave’…related to our ‘have to agree to disagree’ stance…

NOT to Brexit & related problems…

Breathe…

Yes , we will have to agree to disagree, but I think it’s worth posting this (as it isn’t from certain sections of the British press)…
https://nordic.businessinsider.com/leaked-document-sweden-and-denmark-to-be-forced-into-the-euro-by-2025-2017-5/