Be interesting to hear TMs response to Boris's remarks!

Bit strong isn’t it…??? First you would have to define “anti-Semitic”…and also Semite and also “we”…

I can’t speak for anyone else but personally I’ll never be defined as the “we” who should be guarding against and I’ll never apologise for my feelings about the illegitimate state…if perchance my perspective should ever lead to me being banned from SFN then so be it…

I’m guessing you don’t have friends in Gaza…??? No Palestinian friends…???

The Israel/Palestine land dispute is now so complex with differing support for both countries that it will never be settled (IMO). Anti-semite also seems to mean so many things that even a brainbox such as myself is confused, anyone care to enlighten me as to it’s real/true meaning?

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Interesting point.
Just to remind every one how Christianity was born.
A religion is it a way of looking around and thanking a god for life and all it brings?
So if that is so we need to learn how to do this.

it is complex but some posts have disappeared - whether deleted by the poster or by moderators. Most forums have policies which show where the line is so people can keep on the right side of it.

“Areligion is it a way of looking around and thanking a god for life and all it brings?”
It would be nice if that were the case but I don’t think so, I think it is primarily for creating cohesion within a group, a particular supernaturally supported identity which defines ‘us’ and ‘them’ and justifies all sorts of appalling behaviour.

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Hi David

Our forum does have guidelines…and for the life of me, I cannot find the link… I remember reading them when I first joined… :thinking:

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And to sell trillions of chocolate eggs, digging up millions of fur trees, boozy celebrations,family rows and so many dead geese and turkeys.
Have I missed something out?
oh yes more choruses of Tim Buckleys greatest him.

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Cheers Mandy… :hugs:

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Boris’s comment can be viewed here “https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/08/05/denmark-has-got-wrong-yes-burka-oppressive-ridiculous-still/”. You may need to sign up for access.
The article explores what Boris perceives as an unusual “anti-freedom” stance by Denmark in banning burkas.
On reading the article you might conclude that the media and anti Borises have taken his comments completely out of context. Firstly, letter boxes and bank robbers are in two separate sentences. Secondly, and I hope that I will be forgiven for offending copyright but the comment includes " But such restrictions are not quite the same as telling a free-born adult woman what she may or may not wear, in a public place, when she is simply minding her own business." and “I am against a total ban because it is inevitably construed – rightly or wrongly – as being intended to make some point about Islam. If you go for a total ban, you play into the hands of those who want to politicise and dramatise the so-called clash of civilisations; and you fan the flames of grievance. You risk turning people into martyrs, and you risk a general crackdown on any public symbols of religious affiliation, and you may simply make the problem worse.”
Should Boris’s comments be treated in the same way as those of Sarah Champion who drew the public’s attention to the behaviour of a small sector of “ethnic” males against girls?
Censorship takes two extremes. Prohibiting publication of “non - PC” observations, ideas and promoting “PC” to the extent of smothering all opposing ideas. (When did we have a referendum on a “PC” idea rather than have it imposed by a self-appointed cadre. ) If our education system does not enable us to evaluate and conclude rather than blindly adopt the “cool” do we need to address our education system. I was educated , and subsequently shared with students, the scientific method.(Pirsig, Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance, Chapter 13 has a good explanation but there are many others available on the net), I endeavored to enable students to think for themselves and enable them to logically defend their choices, opinions based on solid evidence.
Perhaps, I am arguing that we should demand more respect from our media rather than reward them for relieving our useful, economically productive, but relatively staid lives through sensationlism!
We should demand integrity and respect from all, but especially our politicians.

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All most want are basic principles within nation states to allow people to live their lives. The French have; Liberte, egalite and fraternite, or some such like. For me that works it sets out a high level framework where I have the confidence to make plans for the future. Challenge that and you are at odds with the state - accept it and we’ll all get what we want out of our 3 score years and 10 :slight_smile:

I’ve pondered the definition many times and probably starting with Rachel Corrie in 2003…

Closest I can come up with definition wise currently… is that it is a smoke and mirrors “word” that once uttered in accusation is absolutely guaranteed to stifle any further critical discussion…

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I am very worried when I meet people who do not like animals and who judge people by their colour, race or religion. Also those who find the need to mock others of minority or less fortunate.They paint
an ugly picture of themselves…but, I imagine that the are immune to sensitivity and compassion.

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Attention seeking behaviors maybe ?

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just people who do not know how to love!

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Exactly Jane. Who is under that burqua? I feel intimidated when a group of burqua clad people come towards me when in an airport and am always glad when I see them move off to another part of the airport. It has certainly become more complicated when travelling these days.

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I much prefer it, when I can see a face, judge an expression. :thinking:

Is Corbyn unelectable? None of my friends are keen on the idea (they’re mostly old Labour )
but it would be unwise to underestimate the rise of Corbyn.