Can UK cancel Brexit and stay in EU?

Just when I didn’t think I could be any more ashamed of my country something like this come along.

If I had been given the choice, I would have voted to remain in the EU.
However I would be extremely saddened if a democratically-voted Brexit were overturned.
If that happened would the Leave camp ask for a ‘best out of three’?
Here’s my way of thinking :
You mean that people actually voted ‘remain’ without knowing what was to come?
That doesn’t seem logical.
Leavers surely just wanted to ‘leave’ without any deal.
The remain camp accuse the result of being caused by a lack of information.
The remain camp spent 3 years educating those they accused of being racists and idiots. That wasn’t constructive.
12.8 million people didn’t even bother to vote.
16.1 million voted to remain.
After such a long period of education and enlightenment, we could have expected the “Revoke Article 50” poll to swell the ranks of the remain camp. Instead it fell to 6.1 million. Quite an embarassment.

Hello Paul and welcome to the forum.

You will find a great deal within our Brexit threads…and everywhere else, which might explain what the thinking is behind the desire of some/many to revoke Article 50.

Are you taking this figure from the on-line Vote to demand a debate in Parliament??? because if so, the Government had already said they would take no notice of the demand for debate. In the event, Revoking Article 50 was NOT debated by Parliament (just as the Government had foretold) but there was a brief discussion in Committee… whose Members already knew the Demand for Debate in Parliament would go nowhere.

In my opinion, 6.1 million voting for a “lost cause” - shows great determination not to be bullied.

I’m sure you will have followed all this over the months… the whole sorry affair has been widely reported across the world. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye::roll_eyes:

Why - 6.1 million supporting that petition is not an indication that “the Remain Camp” has fallen from the 16.1 million who voted in the referendum to just those who signed the petition.

It is a bit of a stretch, considering how the Leave campaign constantly told everyone it would be a breeze, we’d be better off and, of course, get a much better deal than the one we had as members of the EU to suggest that all, or even a majority, Leave voters voted for “no deal”.

This is simple retrospective rewriting of history

Finally “Paul Cézanne”, really?

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This is what leave voters thought they were voting for - it was absolutely clear in the leave campaign at the time:

So what is your real name?

Yes, @Cezanne1901, you invalidate your comments and questions on this forum by using a nom de plume as seems likely in your case.

If you are sincere about your title to the name Paul Cézanne, and not concealing your real identity, I shall apologise. BTW I am behind the democratic legitimacy of the 2017 referendum to leave the EU :smiley:.

The choice was between ‘remain’ and ‘leave’, with no deal mentioned
It wasn’t : ’ leave, but with visiting rights on Wednesdays and alternate weekends’
As for the mee 6.1 million signatures to the Revoke Article 50 petition, it was all the more of an embarrassment due to the fact that expats in EU member states had the possibility to sign it.
At the end of the day Brexit will happen, whether that pleases me or not, so I won’t struggle like a hooked fish which by struggling allows the hook to dig in even deeper.
Go with the flow. Accept what you cannot change and, not applicable to Brexit change what you cannot accept.
"rewriting history’ is evoking some imaginary deal.

What an absolute load of tosh.

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Insulting and incendiary tosh as well.

Actually I see that “Paul” is struggling to add a profile picture so I did some research on the 'net and I think I have found one that he can use:

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BTW - Paul, how does it feel to be pwned and brainwashed by Dominic Cummings?

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Just a factual addendum for those who haven’t come across Melanie Phillips before - she is a notorious right-wing extremist, noted for her shallow grasp on reality, for believing that the Tories are too left-wing and that UKIP represented true conservatism, and - among other notions that can only be described as bizarre - that Bishop Desmond Tutu is an anti-semite!

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I can’t see the image you uploaded Paul - is it my settings?

Please update your profile to show your real name, it is a condition of membership.

Thanks

James

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Well said, Robert Hodge.
Some people spread their fears either in panic and some with dishonesty

Residence : https://www.interieur.gouv.fr/Actualites/Le-ministere-de-l-Interieur-se-prepare-au-Brexit/Sejour

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Dunno it’s ok on my desktop and phone & was uploaded to SF, anyone else have problems?

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anyone else have problems?

Nope - what I see is a big green troll with a dollop of cummingsnot hanging from his nose :wink:

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What nose Graham? I can only see green troll “Moobs” :rofl:

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you weren’t looking in the right place Tracey…
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I can see it now!

so my picture helped Geof :rofl:

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