Hello everyone. We had our woodburner flue swept the other day. When they had finished they gave us their facture which they wanted to be paid with a cheque. No problem about that. Gave him the cheque and he marked on the bill that it had been paid. I asked for the certificate, not knowing what they look like and he said that the bill was the certificate. Not at all sure about that. Shall run it past our insurance lady who we intend to see shortly anyway. They had a siret number on the facture so I will look into it. Any views?
The bill is considered the certificate as it’s proof that it was done by someone with a suitable siret.
Had two different sweeps tell me this.
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Concurr as that was what I had to present to the purchasers of my house via the Notaire for the final acte to be signed.
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As above!
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I agree with all of the above, but our sweep also issues a certificate listing what he’s done and what he found. I don’t think this is at all usual.
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Yes, Angela. That’s what I think. There’s the bill and the certificate is separate to that It certainly is the law here now.
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If he finds any Louis d’Or… they’re mine !
If I may be so bold as to as a subsidiary question on the subject of ramonage. We have a woodburner in the living room that we have no intention of using. Do we still have to have the chimney swept yearly for insurance purposes? I’ll address this question to the house insurers next week but, in the meantime, I thought I’d ask what other people’s experience has been . . . . .
My sweep said if no-one’s going to use it, you don’t need it swept.
If you do use an unswept chimney and it goes pear-shaped, your insurance company is very likely to dismiss any related claim.
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Just taken a look at the Sweep’s latest bill…
All the business details are there, Insurance etc, plus our name and address etc
and…
“Facture tenant lieu de Certificat de Ramonage No: B416…..”
I’ve never noticed that before although, on checking the files, it does appear on all the old bills I can find… 
Yes as a Risk Mgr for over 20 yrs , I would highly suggest a contract . I just wrote a reply if you want to take a look at that . Lisa
I seem to have lost the plot… to whom are you replying???
I’m also a bit confused, Lisa’s public profile is hidden. I didn’t know this was possible.
For sweeping a chimney? !!
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Oh dear. Another enthusiastic bot
Must get my robot lawnmower to sign one.
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l think this refers to the wood cutting thread
But you might have stumbled across a wandering bot…
Is a risk manager working in insurance? That’s the only place I have come across them. I am happy to be corrected.
I believe if I was to ask those around me willing to do the tree work to sign a contract before they cut up my fallen tree I would not then have any one willing to do it. Let’s not go down the road to use the American route of having to comply with every dot and dash or potentially face being sued over something. I didn’t like that aspect of doing things such as thatI lived in the USA and I am loathe to follow that way of life in France. If I had to sign a contract because it was a stipulation of a tree surgeon over here in France I would obviously do it to get the work done under their terms, but the people I deal with day to day here are more trusting local people who do this type of work daily. If they are professional business owners providing tree surgery then I would expect them to have their own insurance to cover them for their injuries, etc
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Virtually any organisation of any real size will probably have people doing risk management functions - even if they’re not badged as such, as they will all face a variety of risks. If you take just one area at random, eg hospitals, personnel will presumably be focused on clinical risks, negligence lawsuits/insurance issues, patient safety, cyber security, and data breaches, amongst many other risks.
I was a risk manager in a global Big Four accountancy/tax/audit network, and we were very focused on regulatory risk, reputational risk, limiting/avoiding liability for negligence claims, data breaches, cyber attacks etc etc.