EV - buy or wait?

Are you using a hand crank to charge it?

Let’s just say that I’ve been in exactly this situation twice in recent months and, in each case, the extra hour taken to charge en route made absolutely no difference to the outcome.

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You are all missing my main point. We need to find an alternative that I suggest is yet to be discovered! We see little floating magnets videos. What about riding some way of scaling that up?

No one charges to 100% but to charge from 10% to 80% can take anything from 10 minutes to half an hour depending on the car.

As I’ve said often, when we travel, the limitation is usually bladder capacity rather than the car’s range. Stop for a comfort break and a coffee and charge it during the pause.

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Perhaps support your point with facts, rather than nonsense, and it might be taken seriously.

Suggest you go back to my original post and then work through to see the supporting facts.

Life is far too short

EXACTLY! Who will sit around waiting for a car to charge when in less than a few minutes the tank is full and moving again! I just say the tank should be full of hydrogen.

You haven’t made one, all you have done is bemoaned the tech without any alternatives. No tech happens without steps along the way.

The batteries of the EV’s when finally exhausted can be recycled and re used, cannot do that with diesel, petrol or hydrogen although you can split saline solutions over and over.

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I think it is clear that you have little or no experience of driving an EV. No one charges their car from 5% to 100% even on a home charger.

Your example is extremely contrived. I am 78 years old and never once in my life have I had to jump in a car and drive for what 10/15 hours to be with a family member in danger of expiring because there was no alternative and an extra hour or two would make a critical difference.

So if I was making a list of pros and cons that example would not be worth the ink needed to write it down.

Nobody here is saying that there isn’t a cost to renewable energy production. It would be impossible for there not to be, and many people have calculated that cost and published peer reviewed papers so nobody can be ignorant of the costs. What many people don’t do is then as what the costs are for producing energy from fossil fuels. A comparison between the two comes out on the side of renewable energy if it’s calculated correctly. A part of the cost of renewable energy is tied up in the energy used to create the means of production, which uses a lot of fossil fuels. Use renewable energy instead for that production and the difference becomes larger. It’s a ‘pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps’ way of changing our energy production mix.

We can agree about Mother Earth, but saying we look at things we don’t know yet to solve the problem is just saying we should postpone what we’re doing until something better comes along. The trouble with that argument is that it can be never ending. We need to use now what we have.

I’m sure you know that diesel generators are only used occasionally, just as they are in many other applications for backup purposes. Diesel generators are not used regularly for charging cars at all.

Maybe you just want to have a diesel car ? There are many other means of getting from A to B faster than a car. I expect though you may argue that you’re hours from any train station or airport and so need the car. Just how many people are that far from an airport or train station ? Probably a fraction of a percent. Do we stop using EVs just because a few people may not be able to make a long journey as fast as a diesel car ? I expect that it would be very easy for you to get from say the south of France to the UK a lot faster than driving. I do it regularly and often drive over 1hour to the airport and it’s still much faster.

Really, you’re doing nothing but rehashing old arguments about the suitability of EVs that have been talked to death on this forum for a long time. Read back on this thread and you’ll find them.
Nobody is saying that EVs are perfect, nor that they are suitable for all people or all situations … this has also been discussed. However, they are currently the least worst option we have for many applications.

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I really don’t think we are. Trying to appeal to the faeries won’t get us very far.

Floating magnets ? I assume you’re talking about superconducting levitation which has nothing to do with energy production. It would be very useful in the energy distribution network to be able to reliably use superconducting cables to reduce grid losses but that’s a long way off.

Please forgive me for being blunt, but you haven’t a clue about owning or using an EV. Maybe if you’d come on here and solicited the real life experiences of those of us with EVs and then,if you chose, you could have challenged us and you’d have some credibility. Ask some questions, instead of “telling” us (the ones with the EV experience :face_with_hand_over_mouth:) and you might learn something :slightly_smiling_face:

What do you drive yourself?

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Beware sweeping statements :wink: I did exactly that last week on my Level 2 home charger.

I was asleep throughout that process, so it was effectively instant & I didn’t waste any time at a station service & didn’t smell of hydrocarbons afterwards #winning

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Having committed the same crime further up, I have to admit you’re correct. I do this at home as it’s the manufacturer’s recommendation but never do it on a rapid charger.

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Seldom where possible,

I think people’s charging habits should remain a matter for themselves and their conscience. :smiley:

I wonder if those short-sighted people who carp on about EV batteries being too heavy, slow to charge, short lived, too expensive etc etc have a mobile phone.

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Although it seems VW have some battery issues which was down to a manufacturer issue

There seems to be trend forming. Announced globally by BMW. In a bold shift away from the electric vehicle race, BMW is betting on hydrogen as the fuel of the future. The company has announced that it’s moving beyond electric cars, stating that it has resolved the critical limitations of hydrogen engines—chiefly range anxiety, refueling time, and cold-weather performance. With hydrogen fuel cells, refueling takes just minutes and offers similar driving ranges to gas-powered cars, making them a compelling alternative.

While many automakers are focused solely on battery electric vehicles, BMW believes hydrogen offers a cleaner and more practical long-term solution, especially for regions where EV infrastructure is lacking. If successful, BMW’s innovation could reshape the auto industry’s roadmap toward sustainable mobility.

The problem with hydrogen is that almost all of it is made using electricity to split water.

It’s an inefficient solution if you have low carbon electricity because you could use the electricity direct with far fewer losses and it is a *terrible* idea if the electricity you use is generated by burning fossil fuels.

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