I'm so ashamed of my country of birth

[anon54681821]

@des10e

I really don’t get what all the fuss about this and the other similar stories are on about. It is very simple. I will use her case as the example.

She has the right to stay in the UK as the wife of a UK national. Nothing has changed.

She cannot support herself at this present moment as an individual and therefore does not have the right to remain in the UK under her own right. Nothing has changed

No law is any different now than it was before the Brexit vote.

We have lived in france for two and a half years. We have the right to be here as we work and pay taxes under the French system as nationals of an EU member country. Nothing has changed.

If my brother decides to come here and not work nor be able to support himself, he will not have the right to remain. Nothing has changed.

The situation is being caused by people who have decided, rather than wait for the agreement that will come that will allow UK nationals in the EU to remain and EU nationals in the UK to remain, to jump the gun and try to obtain citizenship when they don’t qualify.

If I apply now for French citizenship after only two and a half years it will be refused. Not because the French don’t like the British or because of Brexit, but because we don’t have the right to citizenship under the present law.

Who knows what will happen, but if the news is to be believed, we may find out pretty soon.

To me it has always been the case that an agreement would be reached for the simple fact, how on earth can the UK re-patriate and process 4 million people with the amount of admin that would be required, and similarly for the EU countries who would have their nationals returning. We might have an extra bureaucratic hoop to jump through, particularly knowing the French governments love of it, but I suspect that will be all.

Also, there are many non-EU nationals living in Europe. So why would British citizens be any different after Brexit, than say Canadians, Australians or Argentinians? The British were able to move to and live in France before the EU. It might be easier now but that is the only difference.

People who want to move here after Brexit from the UK may well have other restrictions placed on them but none of that affects the original point of this reply.

Rant over!

so well put chap so much better than I could have and did just put it. Hit the nail on the head. I am many are totally with you, all this sort of story does and is intended to do is stir our emotions in half baked truths wrapped in beliefs to make them sound so true yet they are so far from the actual truth that its like a wolf in sheeps clothing

[graham]

@anon54681821

If your so ashamed you can always become a french citizen and renounce your british nationality as that is what you are saying in your Subject line.

That is precisely what I am going to do…

[anon54681821]

She applied for a permanent residency card but an application has been refused

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She applied for a permanent residence card meant for non EU nationals and as we are still part of the EU she cannot get one yet. ONCE we leave the EU she can apply. Its the same in france you cannot apply for a residency permit yet as we do not at this time need one as we are part of the EU>

Stop spreading fear by stop spreading media lies

[anon54681821]

@graham

That is precisely what I am going to do…

just dont apply for permanent residence yet as you will be refused as its meant for non eu members. Like the French woman.

And if your refused please do feel free to rant about how your ashamed to be living in france under this regime too

[Aquitaine]

Be careful. Do not confuse residency and citizenship. They are two completely different things.

[anon54681821]

the one i linked stated permanent residency and the other was badly filled out citizenship paperwork

[Aquitaine]

I’m talking about your reply to Graham Lees.

[Trev57]

Mr Fawcett, proud to be welsh, why? Its where you were born, no doubt you would have been proud to be Turkish if you had been born in Turkey. I’m English, not welsh, not Irish, not Scottish, English. I’m not proud to be English, I’m not embarrassed to be English, knowing what the English have done in the past and still do now, I am sometimes ashamed to be English, but at the end of the day I am just English.

[anon54681821]

just because some of the things that are done. I will never be ashamed to be english welsh or anything It is my birth right. im not ashamed to be from there just a shame our politicians like the rest of the world are full of crap but they are no matter that country your from.

I live by what I have done i have no shame for what other people do or don’t do that’s on their heads.

[anon54681821]

@Trev57

proud to be welsh, why? Its where you were born, no doubt you would have been proud to be Turkish if you had been born in Turkey

No I was not just born there I was raised there, my family heritage is from there. I am welsh and I am proud to be part of the United kingdom. I am an immigrant here in France but while wales is my original home France is now my country as i do not plan to go back to the UK but i will never give up my citizenship of the country that I am proud to be a member of, no matter how much people or politicians screw it up.

I voted in the referendum but that was my last legal vote in the UK. I am no longer eligible to vote there now.

Please do try when you attempt to quote people to get the quote right though as like the news papers you are quoting wrong facts.

"I am and always will be Welsh

and Proud to be part of the United kingdom"

[Aquitaine]

That’s a point of view that I just cannot understand. Each to his own I suppose. I presume that as you are ineligible to vote again in the United kingdom (sic) you left over 15 years ago. Have you not formed an attachment to wherever you lived in the meantime, before you arrived in France two and a half years ago?

[anon54681821]

Oh I can vote in the main election but not local as I have given up my UK address. I just dont plan to use my vote anymore as i do not plan to ever return to the UK nor does my french wife and my French children may at some stage decide to visit but i cannot speak for them.

@des10e

We have lived in france for two and a half years. We have the right to be here as we work and pay taxes under the French system as nationals of an EU member country. Nothing has changed.

the 2 and a half years was written by de10e so there you go again @Aquitaine misquoting people yet again. Since ive been running my own business here in france for nearly that time and i was here living just not working for awhile before that too,

Not sure what part you cannot understand as there is quit a bit ive said on many points.

I am Welsh but I am also soon to be French also. While my origin is wales my country will be France as i believe living here I should give my all to this country as this is where i have decided with my family to settle for the rest of my life.

[Aquitaine]

Confusing again. One minute having an everlasting connection to Wales, now giving your all to France. You’d better get our mind made up soon, it’s almost six nations time.
I’ve just seen the reason for my misquote, you failed to use a capital letter to start your response to de10e’s quote so wasn’t sure who said what. In your recent reply I really don’t understand your sentence, ‘Since ive been running my own business here in France for nearly that time and i was living just not working for a while before that too.’ (sic)

[Stella]

The Six Nations will get a lot of folk around here, out of their armchairs and shouting at the TV’s…

[graham]

Allez les blues!!

[anon89172871]

I love Rugby ( even understand all the rules ) it’s the only sport I watch, but I daren’t go to a live game, I am sure I would be on the pitch with them

[Stella]

In my mad youthful days, Dad was VC of the local Rugby Club… I used to stand on the sidelines…in the freezing cold… trying to look so chic

I got chilblains one year and that was it ! Thick socks and boots plus as many jumpers as I could manage after that…

[ChrisK]

I loathe Rugby…rather watch the fire go out. Guess I’m in the minority.

[Stella]

not at all, @ChrisK … each to their own…

[Paul_Turpin]

Probably not as bad as football.