Irish Referendum result. Women 1 Catholic Church 0

Incendently his children have taken German citizenship so they can benefit from freedom of movement… still Leavers are happy with this the contracting economy, the difficulties with healthcare in UK , the rotting strawberry crop, the lsack trade deals becaase they’ve nad e Britain great again

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E.G. First country to introduce same sex marriage by popular vote :slightly_smiling_face:

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Just another Brexit hypocrite, like BoJo, Wooster-Mogg, the slimey Gove and the unspeakable IDS IMO. Brexit is only a problem for the little people, ironically many of whom voted for Brexit.

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WTF does that mean? You’re a little bizarre Steve IMO.

I am one of the ‘survivors’ and if you have read my post you would see that I am not spreading propaganda in favour of women being denied control of their own bodies.
We are not all the same.

The difference is you are a real survivor Jane :rose:, the french group I’m talking about is something else. They self proclame to be “survivor” because they were born after the abortion legalisation, and are saying “we all have one chance out of five to survive”. They are strong anti abortion activists and don’t let the choice to others to have their own ideas. They are trolling internet web sites to try to catch a lot of women in distress due to abortion question and make them feel guilty of trying to commit murder :pensive:
There are better ways than violence to talk about this subject and I don’t see you at all like these kind of people :rose:

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I have had to be a survivor because my sister said that I wasn’t her real sister and eventually she deprived me of my rightful inheritance.
My grandmother and mother in law never looked upon me as a ‘proper’ person and my natural family took me to the High Court to prevent me from trying to look for my natural father.
I have a degree in surviving and whilst I appreciate your comments it might interest you to know that there is a group in UK specialising in rejection.
Perhaps I should rejoin now that my home country is adding to the list!

I do understand Jane, I suppose you feel been abandoned more than once. I sometime wonder why it is so hard to adopt in France, but listening to experiences like yours, I can imagine why there is so many inquiries before a couple can adopt a kid. I can only express my compassion as you need to live this situation to fully know what you feel. To rejoin a group who share similar experiences could be a positive move, it can help you a lot, and somebody else might need your help too. I hope you can read my true feelings, because it’s a bit difficult for me to express it in english.

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That’s dreadful Jane, what else can one say?

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I was privately adopted, it was 1947. Both my mothers were patients of the same gynaecologist/obstetrician.

The remark about rejoining the group was an aside.
However, your remarks abour’survivors, opened a wound, whether intentionally or not.
There are always untinded consequences.

Worse than that John, my natural family
lied to the County Court.
My natural mother was a wealthy woman and my half siblings were worried that they would be disinherited if they did not comply.
In the end it was decided that it was a case of human rights, but my elder half brother did not think that I had any.
Eventually they withdrew because they were under the impression, falsely, that I had the pro bono backing of a charity.
I never invaded my mother’s privacy or met her, but I eventually found out that my father was probably an Australian Air Force officer , even though my mother said in her affadavit to the court that she did not know where in England he lived.
I was never given a chance to speak to the County Court.