Let’s hope so. The UK needs an effective opposition.
Personally, I think Labour have a much better chance of winning the next election if JC fell on his sword before it
I agree but he won’t.
The Brexit debacle was Corbyns chance to shine. He blew it
I don’t want the leader of my Labour Party to “shine”, Mary. I’m pretty sick of shiny politicians, as is a great number of British voters. “All that glisters is not gold”.
Johnson, for example, shines with all the charismatic allure of a polished turd.
I was thinking more this…
You will get no argument about BoJo from me , but what has Corbyn done to try to sort the problems out? An effective opposition leader would have stepped up to the mark and offered his partys alternatives
The ‘problem’ is that the country is bitterly divided over Brexit, and Corbyn has the good sense to realise that the most important task facing the nation is to meet the democratic imperative of respecting the vote to leave, whilst ensuring that essential rights on which people’s prosperity and security depend are preserved by an agreement ‘deal’. That position has been agreed by the Party members of whom I am one, and the leader’s role is to see to it that policy agreed by the Party is implemented. It’s a democratic principle of collective decision-making. Other parties should try it!
Any tin-pot rabble rousing politico can adopt a polarised position that appeals to half the voters and mouth slogans to whip up support and secure the politicians future career. That’s the Swinton tactic, and it makes me sick. It isn’t going to do her or her party any good IMO.
I agree with Jeremy’s position, which is not to take sides. Labour favours a people’s vote on the end- result of current negotiations, which have foundered in the rocks of doctrinaire obstinacy, and led to the current chaos.
I voted remain and value highly the principles of collaboration, communitarianism, internationalism and peace in Europe. I am old enough to have lived through WW2, albeit as a youngster, and remember its aftermath. I had a friend who was drafted into the Hitler Youth. He told me of the hell in Berlin, his home. His parents were both killed in the war. But I also accept that a majority voted to leave the EU, even though the decision goes against all my interests.
I support Corbyn resolutely He is a breath of old-fashioned fresh air, and a paragon of socialist integrity and dignity in a world of (“common or garden”) narcissistic demagogues, cheats, and liars who “shine”!
Corbyn has one thing on his mind and that’s getting into number 10, once there he won’t have a clue what to do.
But as any Labour government the people may be better off but the country will be further in debt.
wasn’t that BloJos master plan?
and the huge spending/borrowing plans of the Conservatives are different?
2017 was Corbyn’s moment for glory and he missed out, since then his popularity has waned and he is now seen as the major reason why Labour is struggling despite the chaos of the current Tory government. The party itself is in a real mess and the idea that the next leader has to be a woman is beyond crazy, do people really want to see Diane Abbott or Emily Thornberry in No.10 as there no other female senior candidates.
Peter Goble has explained Corbyn’s position eloquently and accurately. He appreciates the considerations behind the mans actions rather than assuming the cliched viewpoint.
Corbyn is one of few politicians who has remained true to his beliefs despite being considered unfashionable. He is certainly more considerate and caring than imost others and it is simply unfortunate that because of his failure to pander to the selfish and reactionary nature of British society that he has been pilloried by the right wing press whose utterings have been sucked up by the uneducated masses.
I don’t doubt Corbyn’s sincerity but his and Labour’s ideas are out-dated, you cannot borrow your way to prosperity without passing the debt onto the next generation. By all means pump more money into public services but the public and business will have to pay more in taxes.
Isn’t Labour’s planning much more sophisticated than you suggest Tim:
a) They are in fact proposing to increase taxes - it is the Tories now that are proposing to spend more without tax rises (ie. to increase borrowing)
b) Labour do also propose to borrow more - but only for investment - widely recognised as exactly what governments should do during times of recession when interest rates are low (the Tory/LibDem government did exactly the wrong thing - cut government investment precisely when the private sector was cutting too - hence the present mess)
c) Moreover, the investment will be largely in the environment (the ‘green new deal’) - so producing long term benefits
d) Only Labour get their tax/spending plans independently audited - so people actually know what they are voting for.
I posted this in another thread, by the way, but perhaps it’s more relevant here…
The Guardian has now created a score-card for MPs’ voting record on climate/ecological breakdown, and the extent to which each is funded by polluting industry.
Boris Johnson obtained the worst possible voting record score of ZERO, and is also one of the MPs receiving most funds from polluting industry.
Conservative MPs averaged 17%
Jo Swinson scored 50%
Liberal Democrats averaged 51%
Labour averaged 86%
Jeremy Corbyn scored 92%
Re-nationalising comes at a cost to the taxpayer and I don’t this as ‘investment’ and their tax increases are aimed at ‘the rich’ when everyone should pay more.
Re-nationalising, surely, is precisely an investment? Putting money onto assets that produce future income or other benefits is investment.
Taxation not only needs to be a bit higher in the UK, it also needs to be much more redistributive, so it is much better for the wealthy to pay more.
Eloquently but I would have to disagree with accurately
No Corbyn is a long-standing Eurosceptic who wants out of the EU so, of course he supports the referendum result, piss all to do with democracy. However he has tried to play both sides without being honest regarding his own position thus he has a) tried to sit on the fence and, as a result, b) has basically pissed off both Leave and Remain labour supporters damaging Labour support in the process.
He wants the Tories to take us out of the EU leaving them carrying all the blame so he can ride in on his white charger and save the day.
But his job was not to sit on the fence - his job as leader of the opposition was, if anything to represent the 48% and he has manifestly failed to do that in favour of following his own agenda.
He’s a breath of air, that’s for sure - but hot and stale rather than fresh.
I think Barrie’s analysis is much more accurate than Peter’s
Hard to say
The nationalised industries of the 1970’s were hardly paragons of efficiency, profit and innovation were they?