La Poste and parcel from the UK - is this right?

We’ve never really understood how les Douanes/la Poste calculate duty and charges on parcels that are over the gift limit ?45€.

Yesterday, OH took a Christmas delivery from his kind sister in England and the post lady, one we know, said that there was 25€ to pay. The value of the gifts was declared as £75. I asked him just now if he had any paperwork about the extra charge and he said the postie showed him something online and offered him a copy, but he said no. :angry_face_with_horns:

Could anyone enlighten us please? OH is going to have a quiet word with SiL about the gift allowance, trying not to hurt her feelings;

Might be easier to do via Amazon and delivery direct rather than the post. Since brexit we do not send anything by post that is not letter rate, parcels are a thing of the past now. A lot of things I have ordered come from Ireland which is in the EU rather than the same from the UK!

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Indeed - couriers are allowed to add “admin” charges where goods need VAT and/or duty, and the “admin” charge can be arbitrary.

In this case I assume it’s 20% VAT which would be ~17€ plus 8€ admin, which sounds about right.

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Thank you Billy, that makes sense.

I agree with you. We send very little by way of parcels to the UK. I usually order on a UK websitefrom places like M&S, maybe John Lewis, or Amazon if I have to. I’ve done the same for the States as well, plus it arrives faster.

I’ll suggest telling SiL about ordering locally here but she’s very set in her ways, also loves shopping.

Also when sending from the UK there is the declaration to fill out making things more long winded. I return EU parts for servicing when I am in France and avoid the additional costs and paper work. VAT is arbitrarily charged even if the article is only for repair and not a sale item.

I too frequently get stung when my sister forgets about the import fee and puts the true value of presents on the CN22 form, despite me telling her not to.

I roll my eyes at my sister and then spend the rest of the day swearing about this idiot…

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La Poste takes about 9 euros.

I thought the gift allowance disappeared 2 or 3 ywars ago and now there’s no free allowance for gifts.

There are 2 main ways of processing VAT/Duty incoming to us.

Method 1

Amazon sends DDP, or DPP I forget what it’s called, which is the gold standard. Basically Amazon takes off UK Vat when sending as it’s an export. Then they land it sonewhere in Europe often Belgium or Germany.. Then Amazon paya tbe Belguum or Germany VAT. Wirh VAT paid in an EU country then there’s no VAT to pay when it is moved to another EU country eg France.

Because Duty (mostly n/a) and VAT have bern prepaid there us no need for La Poste or other courier to do any tax processing. So their admin charges eg 9 euros (La Poste) to 22 euros (DHL) aee not triggered.

As most EU VAT rates are close enough to the UK VAT that was taken off the only extra you’ll pay over UK cost is usually a very moderate shipping charge.

None of this is complicated but sadly there seems to be a lot of incompetence or unwillingness to make the effort about and so not many sellers do it. But if Amazon ships it they do it correctly as above.

Method 2 - the half-intelligent but lazy way.

If you have a vendor that has made the tiny bit of effort to investigate VAT free exporting available for sales to consumers then they’ll take the UK VAT off as it’s an export when shippjng to you.

Lakeland does this and so do a nimber of others.

Sadly though unless they want to organise themselves better at the EU landing end so they also pre-take from you the vat/duty payable where it first lands in the EU, eg Belgium, Germany etc, then at that incoming EU location the transporter must pay the local tax. Then as it wasn’t prepaid to tnem an admin charge is then walloped on when you get tne item ie 9-22 euros. Usually that’s rotally disproportionate to the ahip cost and often far too much considering the vslue of many small gifts now taxed.

Method 3 Don’t Go Here but it’s sheer laziness, tell a vendor off if they do this. Or also your gift sender is getting clobbered

Item purchased paying VAT.

Shipped not duty/tax prepaid.

VAT paid again on cost of item and techncally; also on cost of shipping, at firat landing point in EU at their local rates. So VAT paid twice needlessly.

Monster admin charge 9 - 22 eueos min. And increasing, also charged to you for handling or whatever, witbout which they won’t hand you the parcel.

Welcome to tne world of desperate Western governments taxing everything as their economies are running out of productivity to support their populations.

And welcome fo tbe world of toll charges where every greasy pair of hands something passes through adds their own ‘tax’ for doing not a lot. Like the highwaymen charged road tolls fo pass at certain points before motorway folls were even invented.

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Sympathies, Gareth, it sounds as if you have a similar problem.

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M&S have a french website or they did.

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Can’t bear to look at that ugly mug. How he sleeps at night is beyond me.

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I routinely get charged 12 euros by La Poste for my very occasional obscure books, transcribed by a set of volunteers. It’s annoying to say the least but obviously the UK’s freedom from the EU is worth any sacrifice…

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I believe Jersey and/or Guernsey had some kind of exemption from taxes being charged on things sent from there to France.

And their’s always Ireland / Eire that can send without extra taxes or admin being added to postage costs as within EU.

Does anyone know of a company that would send my peanut butter to France from Ireland? Readily available in UK but broadly speaking food is a category Amazon won’t send from the UK to here.

Ever thought of making your own?

This is how I get my Food of the Gods here in France. Excellent product and delivery, and frequently offering special deals..

I would have hesitated to move to France if I couldn’t source proper crunchy PB with nothing added etc…

Are you looking for a particular brand, Karen?

Carrefour in Narbonne do peanut butter but it could have quite a lot of sugar in it, also Biocoop.

Corona’s right though about making your own if you have the right kind of food processor.

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Have you tried DAKATINE ? (the best peanut butter ever)

How so? Specific type of peanut, extra Palm oil, amount of salt, sugars?

I have issues with palm oil and am trying to avoid anything that contains it.

There isn’t any sugar in dakatine ( beyond what’s in a peanut)

The missing 2.5% is presumably toxic sludge, that must be what makes it so delicious.

Actually it’s West African palm oil, the red one used for cooking not the bleached deodorised Indonesian one.

This stuff :up_arrow: