I think they may also have faced criticism for selling kiddie-bikinis for three-year-olds, or perhaps that was ASBA or TESMO (other sources of extremely poor taste are always widely available)
They refuse to sell to us in France through their UK stores but are happy to sell these appalling things which discriminate against women.
Why should a young female child of three even need a Hijab for goodness sakes. Has the world gone totally loony or what ?
I think the issue with the bikinis was they were a scaled down version of adult ones
Because little three-year-old girls have scaled down versions of women’s breasts?
Because they don’t, but the bikinis were designed as if they did
If there are Muslim schools that the Hijab is part of the school uniform i don’t know why Marks and Spencer’s are getting criticised, Do Muslims not shop in M&S? Hijab’s are not Burka and the two have totally different meanings and should not be confused. As with all religions there are hard line follows that almost miss the teachings of Religion (to love one another) and will force children to wear items. As for the Bikinis i’m sure the problem was they were selling padded Bikini tops that is just wrong.
That’s my point, Nellie, and yours too, I think?
In stuffy long-winded terms, it’s another example of the objectification of the female form or, more bluntly, the sexualisation of innocent children for exploitative purposes: the generation of profit and the blunting of sensibilities so that everything is commodified, with built-in obsolesence, bought and sold.
Three year olds.
Yes we are thinking the same. Totally wrong. I don’t object to a crop top and shorts bikini But one that is the same as a grown woman would wear? No
I didn’t think they had to wear them until puberty ,can’t ever remember seeing a little girl wearing one (though maybe was not looking properly)
I also feel they are a symbol of repression against all women,don’t like them one bit but also hate to see young girls done up like Jon Benet Ramsey(probably because of what happened to her !!)
Can remember covering up hair with something similar when visiting Saudi ,but I was well over 3 at the time!!
It is not just the sexualisation of three year olds, it is another example of male domination, again and again.
It has to stop.
So are you saying that all of us “males” dominate?
Why on earth should little children of either sex need any item of clothing on their top half for swimming or playing in or near water? Unless to keep the sun off but in that case they would be better in the shade.
I think, though I am open to correction by members of either sex or unsexed, that Jane is proposing that men would do well to accept women’s experience of men without challenging it a priori.
Only a woman knows how men behave towards her. Men cannot know because, simply put, they aren’t women.
When a man is ready to face this unarguable fact he is ready to engage in discussion with a woman or women about what’s to be done about it.
I’m approaching the foothills of understanding what women have to say to men about their experience of men, including me. And it is a chastening experience, and a novel one. But it is long overdue, IMO, and in my wife’s.
TBH Vero personally I agree they don’t ,but I was thinking if they wear a bikini then not one that an adult would wear
Nellie, what should a mum say to her 3-year old who asked why she had to cover her chest to paddle in the sea or make sand-castles when her little friend Tim can just wear little trunks to do the same?
It certainly never happened in my chilhood days nor did my girls ‘cover up’ in the sunny sixties, in fact they often played in their skins. It comes out of the same repressed and prudish bag as forbidding breast feeding ‘in public’. Only the English could be so uniquely up their own arses as this. Unless its the Saudis.
Peter I agree it should not be necessary for a small girl to cover up. If her mother chooses to cover her up it’s up to her how she explains it
I can’t argue with that, Nellie, it’s up to the parents to make these decisions, but you may agree it’s a worrying trend, and opinion should be mobilised to chalenge that trend so that parents hear another opinion.
There’s much concern in UK about the precocious sexualisation of girls and boy, and the deterioration in the mental health and well-being of youngsters, self-harm spreading, suicide rates up etc etc. I think health professionals have a societal responsibility in these matters, but regulation and training is hindering it, IMO. France seems to have a stronger ethos re promoting health than UK has, although it was better in my young days (1950s and 60s)
Wtf! - so by replying to my reply to Jane, you are effectively speaking for her without being asked, therefore “dominating”. I’m sure you don’t mean to, but its the way it’s coming across.