Not just the UK Govt at fault, then?

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#21

England will do very well if it can get rid of the burden of Scotland and NI.

#22

Indeed. All that Scottish oil has been a burden to the UK for decades. Margaret would have been much better off without it, donā€™t you think ?

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#23

Nicely put Vero :clap:

#24

It was never Scotch oil.

Had they never had the idiot Sturgeon and her nutty party they would have done so much better.

#25

Geof, keeper of pogs too, can you ever be less depressing and negative for a while an stop pushing the continual marxist control freak message. You are after all an immigrant, If I understand things correctly.

#26

Jousus I donā€™t normally comment on political stuff but really,??

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#27

No. Some people who live in London will do very well. The rest of England, and Wales, wonā€™t.
Scotland will be much better off without England, in the EU.

Geography says otherwise. Incidentally as a rule the adjective Scottish is preferred, rather than Scotch.

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#28

What is a pog, please?

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#29

please explain what that has to do with the price of fishā€¦ or Geofā€™s comment at allā€¦
or did you perhaps consume too much ā€œscotch oilā€ :thinking:

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#30

So tell us, Random, which particular leading UK politicians you think are less ā€˜idioticā€™ than Nicola Sturgeon?

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#31

Of course, all pogs are actually marxistsā€¦

#32

Iā€™m sure Geof doesnā€™t need me to stand up for him, but this sort of ad hominem attack is cheap and weak. You can disagree with someoneā€™s opinion without needing to resort to personal attacks.

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#33

absolutely! Iā€™m certain that @billybutcher hasnā€™t seen it otherwise he would have called it out - OTOH he may have just left it in place as a prime example of the sort of depths some misguided people will descend to in order to score cheap points :wink:

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#34

Cheers Gareth.

I expect it. Iā€™ve never come across anybody on the political right that can sustain a civilised, evidenced discussion - itā€™s related to the core right-wing attachment to authority, rather than reason - at some point they always reach for the personal.

Luckily, as here, most people (of all other political persuasions) see it for what it is.

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#35

The attack on Sturgeon is also interesting - thereā€™s a truth behind this that Tories have been trying to hide for decades, mentioned today actually in a William Keegan article:

The Thatcher governmentā€™s ā€œachievementsā€ of presiding over a doubling of the inflation rate, to approaching 20%, between 1979 and 1980 ā€“ accompanied by the biggest recession since the second world war ā€“ and a level of unemployment that rose from under 1.5 million in 1979 (when Conservative posters proclaimed ā€œLabour isnā€™t workingā€) to more than 3 million by 1986ā€¦

What got the UK out of this dreadful self-inflicted hole? - Scottish Oil !
Now the English Tories have driven the UK into another hole - but is there another bonanza like North Sea Oil to get them out of it?

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#36

Dizzy Lizzy in a superwoman suit :thinking:

#37

EU membership as well

#38

Indeed, the Tory governments of the 80s and 90s pissed all the huge oil wealth up against the wall. In complete contrast, Norway put most of itā€™s oil wealth into a fund that is currently worth over 1 trillion dollars.

Edit: Its over 1.24 trillion dollars

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#39

Apologies, real life is interfering with my SF time - still keeping an eye on things but not quite as intently as normal for the moment.

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#40

And itā€™s not just down to the health serviceā€¦ Further insight here into what faces the very elderly in the UK now: