Notre Dame cathedral

Geoff…

I have listened to his words… and he does not say what caused the fire… or who… or how… he simply keeps giving his opinion of why the wood would not/could not/should not have caught fire…

he does not understand how it started and that is the nub of it…

Many folk are putting their own spin onto his interview… which is why people linked to N-D are being asked to be careful talking in public… not for a cover-up but in order to stop their words being “spun”.

Just a small point, Stella: I didn’t say the term accident was suspicious, it was the fact that the blaze was described as accidental within a few hours of its onset, before any proper consideration of its cause could have been done. The prematurity of that announcement struck me as very unusual when I heard it, and I am still suspicious. Spokespersons for disasters like that usually say that it is “too early to speculate about a possible cause…”, but not in this case.

There may have been a good reason to divert public attention away from terrorism, because of retribution, but I would like to know what the reason was. The public have every right to raise questions, and trying to close down discussion on matters of public interest is wrong. Even more so when the institution is the Church of Rome, surely recent history demonstrates its tendency to secrecy when challenged over what it does.

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I think you’re reading way much into it Peter.

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Peter… we obviously see things differently… if I see a car in a ditch… in the absence of any “evidence”… I think… ooops an accident… I do not think that the driver has done it on purpose or someone has shoved him off the road…

Likewise… a building which is undergoing work (any work)… if it catches fire/starts to crumble/ whatever… without evidence to the contrary (ie explosion…) the immediate thought IMO would be… oops ghastly accident…

Thus, in the case of N-D, I fail to see why I should think of the happenings in any other light than accidental… in the absence of anything to the contrary… at this stage… :thinking::thinking::wink::wink::upside_down_face:

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Possibly, Paul, quite possibly. But there aspects to the conflagration that pique my curiosity. For example, how many security personnel were on site, and how many fire wardens? It seems inconceivable to me that such a hugely important chantier didn’t have a large contingent of such in case of maladventure, including the theft of relics; and a sophisticated fire-alarm system. The building is large, but surely not so large as to be impossible to keep under 24 hour surveillance.

Presumably all these points will be given careful scrutiny, but it surprises me that the public haven’t learned much about those arrangements to date.

I am not a conspiracy theorist (really) but experience has taught me that it is important to pick over what the big wigs tell us, because too many of them have something to hide, and will go to extreme lengths to cover up their mistakes

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OK so… I am currently working with a group of people who have responsibility for a church of a similar age and construction- esp viz the oak. They have also worked closely with restoration carpenters for the last 5 years and all, to a man ( and woman) said to me on Thursday that there is something fishy about the fire .
Just saying…

Ps. As it is the weekend , I will probably not be replying to comments but you can send me used 5€ notes in a brown envelope should you require further info.
Just saying…

Have a lovely weekend people! X

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Salut @cat

Have a lovely weekend you! And I think I may have forgotten to put the money in the envelope before I sealed it, 'cos I found a fiver I didn’t think I had, and I’m not entirely sure I put a stamp on the envelope, but I might have put the stamp inside the envelope and sealed it, I seem to remember going to the post-box with something, Cat, or maybe it was the déchèterie, Don’t tell me I put your brown envelope in the recycling bin, silly old me…mumble, mumble, fidget.

Actually Geoff I did know about the mosque fire. You have got my interest though, what other things have happened in the middle of April?

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Stella, I am not asking you to accept my line of thought, you are free to think what you want, I am ‘thinking aloud’ on a subject that has roused worldwide interest, and ‘thinking allowed’ is surely one of SFNs virtues.

I feel concerned when it seems you take issue with an opinion in such a way that you seem to want to blame me for having one. Only saying :grinning:!

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@Stella nowhere did I blame anyone for fire-setting or raise any theories of causation. You are putting words into my mouth. I did NOT exclude the possibility of an accident. You are IMO making unwarranted assumptions about my curiosity. And RTAs are commonplace events, but not all are accidents. The police will not describe an event as an accident before forensic examination and witness statements.

The Roman church has something of a reputation for stopping people’s words in case they were ‘spun’ to expose the hideous truth of sexual abuse.

Some echelons of the Curia are master-practitioners in the arts of deceit, blackmail, threat and systematic corruption. It is only the courage of the oppressed and priest-tormented souls in their innocence who broke the malevolent spell of clerical wickedness.

Or should we keep our mouths shut about that? Just another idiot who ran out of road and accidentally ended up in a ditch?

Don’t worry, I’m going to recite an Ave Maria.

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Ha ha… Peter… I was agreeing that we disagree… and trying to explain my own line of thinking… in my own feeble way…:upside_down_face: :laughing::rofl:

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This makes interesting viewing and, excuse the pun, fans the flames of suspicion - But l must say lv’e never seen a statue walk before - Just saying.

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Thanks for posting these items @Dan_Wood :+1:. This story has legs, and isn’t going to go away, that I’m confident of. Time will tell.

I don’t really buy the conspiracy theory.
It’s too easy for us to just make stupid mistakes sometimes.

Yes, @Teresaship, I can imagine the Cardinal being called by the press in the middle of the night to give his opinion on the cause of the blaze, saying, “Look I’m saying my bedtime rosary at the moment, can you find someone in a hard hat to answer your questions, that’s what we pay them for”. That kind of stupid mistake? :clown_face:

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Not just the wood but 800 years of dust, which is highly flammable.

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never thought of that Jane (I guess M. Mouton didn’t either).
We have lots of dust in our house - I guess I will use that to start our evening fire instead of wasting money on those little bundles of kindling.

Wow! l think Jane, unwittingly, has stumbled across a sustainable energy source - There’s dust everywhere and it’s free, easily accessible and practical to collect. Perhaps Sir James Dyson, Elon Musk and Branson could come up with Industrial sized dust collection systems that would fuel Power Stations across the globe;

Who knew - Dust the new Coal.

Umm! Perhaps it could even be harnessed to power cars (big smiley faces)

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You can get dust explosions -any area where dusty products are handled can get them- flour mills for example. So why not a dusty cathedral loft where there would be hundreds of years of dust.

I think we’re on to something here Sue. Perhaps it is all part of a much bigger plan by Powers beyond our knowledge to save the planet.

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