Peages amd 30 kph

Why do Peages with 30 kph lanes have barriers?
You can only use them with a toll tag but you could be nicked at almost any speed by a number plate reading seat belt/mobile phone using camera. If the got rid of the barriers and allowed 90 kph or so it would stop all the deceleration and excelleration fuel waste.

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Where are you talking about… I’m trying to visualise what you are describing… without success.

90kph through one of those lanes???

But I agree in principle. You need a lot of nerve not to slow down, even if you “know” the barrier should rise. It’s like a good idea but bad design.

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Why have the lanes at all on those peage auto tolls, you can be picked up by a camera on any of the 3 lanes of a motorway that have no barrier lanes and your number plate read, your seat belt status or mobile phone use noted and photographed.

Ah… you mean the lane into which those with a Tag are allowed… and all others are NOT…

The barrier is there to ensure that the vehicle goes through slowly enough for the tag to deduct money from your bank account (well, you know what I mean)…

Everyone else is slowing down, stopping to pay, then starting up slowly…
To have the Tagged folk charging on through at 90 would be/could be dangerous for other drivers… doubtless safety will be in their thinking somewhere along the line. :wink: :wink:


Follwing your thought Stella the same would apply on just about every main road where traffic is moving faster than other lanes.

Nope… the other lanes actually stop… and then start from that stop…
not quite the same… and slower/faster traffic.

anyway… as none of us were in on the planning sessions for peages, we might never know the absolutely correct answer… :wink:

Because the reader has to read the tag as there isn’t just one tag company, there isn’t a central registration for the tags to number plate, the reader checks the tag, assigns the reg to that tag number and sends it to the tag company who charge accordingly.
The reader is just further down the lane compared to one you stop at, but they don’t always work as I found out the other day when I just about had to stop before the tag was read and the barrier opened.

You explained much better than I did… :+1:
We also had the almost-crash into the barrier, years ago when we had the tag thingy… just that once was quite enough for us…
after that it was 30 crawl, definite crawl… then finally … phew… off we go again. :wink:

Exactly why they should do away with the outdated tags. The cameras dont miss anyone going through them at 130kph +

Cameras are operated by the government who have a central data base with all the registrations, the toll roads are run by private companies who charge the tag companies and us for their use, so it wouldn’t work :wink:

Just another thought to throw into the mix…

Naughty folk use those roads… not just the good guys.
by whatever means, info gets sent out… and when the naughty vehicle arrives at the barrier, the “strong arm of the law” is waiting… and the barriers are down!

You have kind of made my point, the strong arm of the law IS monitoring, that means the tech is probably already there but just not used for the purpose of reducing traffic delays and waisting fuel, the Peage grand prix as I call it :blush:

Doesnt work rather than couldnt, again the Dartford crossing is an example where all barriers were removed and traffic flows at 50 mph (80 kph)

:rofl: Personally, I wouldn’t use the Dartford crossing as an example of anything other than the stupidity of many motorists, who are determined to be ahead of everyone else, even if it means speeding and changing-lanes dangerously etc … :roll_eyes:
and, before you say it, I am aware of similar sites/situations in other countries (including France) daft motorists know no borders… :rofl:

(I loathed the Dartford crossing from childhood… but must admit that the “new” bridge does give a glorious view.)

the sun is shining and breakfast beckons… :+1:

I think I can handle the extra 20 seconds on a journey compared to the cost to the companies to change over to your model, we would ultimately be the one’s who would have to pay the extra costs, it not exactly a big deal is it.

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No not a big deal, just a thought as I was travelling yesterday about how pointless it was to actually have spent the money on the 30kph lane when you could have spent the money, which ultimately we have already paid for on a simpler more efficient less fuel and brake waisting system.

Before the 30kph lane you should be at no more than 50kph. So slowing down isn’t difficult. At the right speed you don’t need to stop - the barrier goes up. Never had problem with that. It’s like taking the red carpet route as opposed to waiting behind people who can’t find their credit cards. What’s not to like.


You have missed the point.

All of this back and forth is a bit irrelevant, although not at all given this is a discussion forum, as the barriers will be going, and the speed will be increasing, although perhaps not quite to 130kph :joy:, it’s just the companies dragging their feet. Everything toll-wise in France just goes incredibly slowly, most of the card readers still use the Mag stripe for example, which is why you can’t use certain cards with them, and prepay like Revolut and Wise wouldn’t work either at one time, I’m not sure if that’s changed, not a commercial decision to avoid fraud or such but rather that they could only cope with specific authorisation processes. Given the likes of Vinci are leaders in this area globally it really is about them just not wanting to invest, or perhaps rather not wanting to invest too often so they keep the old processes around for as long as possible.