Should I be paying French tax?

Most definitely not!! :joy::joy:

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Except where indicated (which is only a couple of specifically marked threads)

I hope we all keep it civil, while recognising that in some cases truth hurts :face_with_open_eyes_and_hand_over_mouth:. Freedom of speech with moderation

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,Was that question for me? No I applied correctly based on the date of my arrival to take up residence, knowing I would be issued the 5 year warp and I did receive that.

But I had no idea about need to do annual tax return in France regardless of income until I saw discussion on SF when the tax reporting sesson opened in my first year. So in the nick of time. Without SF I’d have been living my life locally here as normal and wouldn’t have had a clue.

And I can assure you I am not dim, and I don’t live in an English bubble here… I just didn’t have time or situation l to look into things before moving. I was also not aware of the payment system for health in France till SF.

That’s what I expected to hear. People who were eligible to apply for a permanent WARP had already been resident in France for five years and that’s plenty of time to find out what’s needed and to make sure that the boxes are ticked. I helped a newcomer who arrived at the last minute and they were learning what they needed to do as they went along. A fall that resulted in a broken jaw speeded up her entry into the health system because the medical staff who treated her helped get the paperwork sorted. She soon found out about the need to do a tax return. Her experience and yours was quite different to the experience of a settled applicant with at least five years under their belt.

Yes personally I think any complaints about the answers received here are unjustified. Someone was perhaps more direct than the more subtly challenging Brits on the site are used to being, but frankly it is too easy with the level of experience of past cases here not to point our obvious dangers and potential issues.

Most posters as per our usual style are kind and direct even in the face of a certain level of obvious provocation. Unfortunately there are some provocative elements in the OP’s case that might cause them to need to consider is their situation potentially going to require some interaction with officialdom to correct.

If people ask for help they will get it here. Sometimes more than they asked but only with the best intentions.

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Very well said!

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As the American humorist James Thurber once wrote:

I am reminded of the little girl’s criticism of a book her teacher had made her read about penguins: “This book told me more about penguins than I wanted to know.”

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Can we tone this down please.

These kind of responses are not what SF is for. Thanks.

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Some seemed to me to be very personal, and attacked to OP. Not acceptable as @cat says.

Writing in to a forum

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Trivia alert!

Pandora’s ‘box’ is a consequence of a 1508 translation of the Hesiod by Erasmus, who mistook the Greek pithos (jar) for pyxis (box). (Stewart, 1997.104)

Footnote from a chapter I’m trying to finish. despite the distractions of social media

Pandora’s jar doesn’t have quite the same ring to it though, does it.
Boxes are mysterious. Jars are utilitarian.

Too many jars and you get pithossed.

There’s certainly some mysteries lurking in the bottom of my tool box :roll_eyes:. They might be useful one day…

I kept a copy of the ‘tableau-cas-d-usages-brexit-v7-19112020-en’ (the flowchart of documents for the CDS in 2020) and thought I’d remind myself of the requirements for the permanent card -

If already holding a permanent card, just the card - not even a passport. If no permanent card,

1° A valid passport ;

2° The residence permit which I hold or, if I have never had a residence permit in France, a document indicating the date of my settling in France: lease agreement, or home insurance contract, or home insurance certificate, or tax assessment, or employment contract, or pay slip, or a document issued by social security or any other supporting document chosen by the applicant.

3° Proof of residence in France in 2020: electricity bill (or gas, water, landline phone, internet access), or leasing agreement or rent receipt if tenant, or housing tax notice, or any other proof chosen by the applicant.

In case of accommodation with a third party: certificate from the host…

So, I don’t see any requirement for staying (proving?) 6 months a year, or paying France taxes - just proof of date of settling in France and residence in 2020.

Edit - there may have been some declaration to tick / sign setting out conditions - as I don’t have the 10 year card I don’t know, but would be interested to know, if someone with a 10 year card might care to share? Mention has been made in the thread of ‘T&C’s’

I think this discussion could go round and round for ever.
Can a person be said to have settled in France and be resident here, if they spend more than half the year residing at their home in another country?
None of us (I assume) know what answer the French authorities would make to that question, and indeed different authorities will almost certainly bring other factors into the equation with the result that some will say Yes and some will say No.

The very first question when applying for a permanent WARP card asked if you were resident in France, yes or no. The conditions you need to look at are the conditions for residency not the tick boxes you needed satisfy to complete the WARP application. This was the question that far too many people answered yes to because if they spent half the year in France and half the year in the U.K. they felt that they were resident in both places. What the question was really asking was, is the centre of your life in France? Is that where your main home is? Is that where you are tax resident? Is that where you had your healthcare provider? Is that where your you vehicles are registered? And so on. Anyone with two lives in two countries knows where they are resident and where they have a holiday home. The application procedure for WARP cards never asked you for a tick list to prove where your primary home was, where you were tax resident, where you had your cars registered… they simply asked the overall question and expected an honest answer. The applicant was then asked to provide a selection of ‘proof’ to back up their claim. I uploaded a copy of the page on my first tax return where I had written the date I became resident and a selection of bank statements spanning five years which read like a diary proving where I spent my time. If was never less an overall picture of residence. France could not have made the process much easier. And therein lies the problem.
The temporary card application was different and very little proof of residence up to that point was required but the consequence of that was the applicants had a list of hoops to jump through to prove their commitment and gain permanent residency after five years.

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You are forgetting the rarely read link to the terms and conditions. I can’t remember details now, but set out the penalties for making false statements. And they were high ; 3 years in prison and/or €45,000 fine. And stated that in asubmitting application you were agreeing to these conditions, Somewhere I probably have a copy.

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On the plus side, anyone getting three years in prison would no longer be confused about their residency status.

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