Should there be a new Centre Party in UK and would you support it?

Sooner the better if there is to be a viable Opposition!

Agree. The problem is that neither the Tories or Labour really have a clue how to handle a situation which has so many fundamental contradictions built in. As I have said before the only reason that the labour party can get away with having no coherent policy is that, not being in power the spotlight isn’t on them over Brexit. The UK political system remains differentiated along anachronistic lines which have less relevance today, especially in the face of Brexit.

In fact if rather pisses me off that we are constantly told the public support Brexit because 80% voted in the General Election for a party which supports us leaving the EU - as if there was a bloody choice.

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I’ve always said I would vote for a Common Sense Party, someone who thought “well what’s the sensible solution that benefits the majority”. Reward people who contribute and obey the law. More incentives to work. Common sense approach to law and order. And - controversially - sorting out the homeland before doling out foreign aid except where it is clearly proven to reach the people. Oh, and reorganise politics so that there’s proportional representation so it really IS the will of the majority as to which party gets into power. Whether this new party is centre or not I really don’t know. But an injection of ‘common sense’ into politics would be a refreshingly healthy bonus.

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Regretably Sandy, common sense and politics don’t sit well with each other :roll_eyes:

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Unfortunately common sense is not that common - certainly I doubt there is enough going around to form a common sense party.

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And the total wavering of Jeremy Corbyn.

I quite agree.
The problem is that for the most part politics is full of self servers and the national interest can go hang.
The Lib Dems went into coalition for the good of the country and where did that get them?
Their voters deserted them in droves.

Yes, it’s an interesting question as to whether this is the reason that they don’t seem to be able to capitalise on the widespread dissatisfaction with the two main parties.

I don’t think Jeremy Corbyn ‘wavers’, Jane. It’s politicians like TM and Cameron that ‘flap’ in the wind of the latest hysterical cause fomented by the Mail, the Telegraph and the other Tory rags, they’re the waverers and dog-whistlers. Many people, including most adults under 35, trust him and support him.

Corbyn is principled, consistent, not foul-mouthed or a rabble-rouser, and believes in the kind of democratic politics that is reflective, inclusive, progressive, co-operative and commited to peaceful co-existence. Those who thrive on casino capitalism hate and fear him.

Casino capitalism is going to bring the world down in ruins, fomenting nationalism, trade war xenophobia, the modern equvalents of slave-labour, feudal servitude, environmental diaster and epidemic degenerative and other disorders based on ‘over-nutrition’ and pathological over-consumption.

So I’m exaggerating, you think ? Not if you have a sense of world history and the growth and collapse of ‘civilisations’ built on hubris greed and imperial conquest.

I like Jeremy Corbyn. No amount of mendacious black-guarding of his character will change my mind, and I find myself in growing company.

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Sorry Pete, but I think Jed is nuts and therefore, I hope utterly unelectable :neutral_face:

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He might be unelectable Bill, but that doesn’t change the fact that he is a decent, honest, principled man as Peter says.
Its for the Labour party to change matters if it sees fit to do so.

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I don’t think he is unelectable…I’ve watched with dismay the toilet paper rag smear campaigns… the well funded lobbyists…he’s never wavered…I’m sad that he’s been bullied into accepting a “certain wording” but I think that it will only increase his support in the long run…not everyone is bought and paid for by psychopathic war criminals…

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I agree that Corbyn has principles, which seems rare in modern politics (just see number of MPs who switched Brexit views post referendum) - I just don’t agree with most of his principles, and cannot see a time that I would vote for him.

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Lemme think - airbrushing his support for the IRA would be quite enough for many to question Corbyn’s principles but I think he’s volt-faced on a few other things as well hasn’t he? E.g. shoot to kill, NATO, even coming out in support for the EU during the referendum, lukewarm though it was, given that he is staunchly Eurosceptic.

I’m not sure that he is any more principled than any other politician - i.e. not very.

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His support for those who killed innocent people on hijacked aircraft was enough for me :unamused:

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I don’t see a change of mind as necessarily unprincipled - as long as one is honest that one has done so, and why.

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to what incident(s) do you refer specifically Bill?

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Check his record Graham :neutral_face:

To change your mind is fine… But for so many MPs to change their mind overnight is not due to their principles it is an attempt to remain an MP.

An MP should put themselves forward detailing their principles - people can then decide if they wish to vote for them.

A lot of what he does is misinterpreted/demonized by the popular press for consumption by people too lazy or unable to check the facts for themselves.
Present company excepted, of course Bill :wink:

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