This is very out of character, the govt has always been very supportive of Russian oligarchs seeking to settle in the UK and donate to party coffers. Are golden tickets only available to the corrupt?
The number of things not to be ashamed of seems to shrink every day, I am afraid. As I am philosophically opposed to the whole concept of national pride (none of us had any say in where we were born or into which circumstances) it feels a little hypocritical to be ashamed to be English, but I am. And I mean English rather than British - of course bigots and selfish B****s exist in other countries as well, but under this government the English seem to be turning toxicity into an art form!
So who, anyone at all? is Pritti letting in.
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It was because you talked about the UK and
the abysmal failure of itâs government to match this support by allowing fleeing refugees easy entry into the country
Is this to reinforce my displeasure?
I just thought it illustrated your comment.
This is exactly what the majority of people in the UK voted for with the Conservative Party,s full backing.Now the world is watching and are not impressed with the way that the UK are treating people,it,s far too late for them all to be embarrassed about it now.
Give a thought to OH who spent several decades embarrassed about being a white S African travelling around Europe on Schengen visas. Unfortunately Mandelaâs election didnât really change Europeansâ opinion of Afrikaans speakers, so she was very glad to get her UK passport in 2014, but has been embarrassed by it ever since Brexit. Now wants to get a French one!
Maybe your OH should just stop right there 
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Canât see her collecting passports will help. Especially a French one. France has had some pretty dark periods in history and not too long ago either. Mybe an Islandic passport?
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I have to say that I disagree with your view.
Many people no doubt voted, at least in part, for a government that undertook to curb the number of economic migrants arriving in the UK. However, I doubt that those voters have the same view in relation to genuine refugees fleeing a war that in so many places is becoming a determined effort towards genocide.
I donât profess to be an expert in such matters, but I reckon I could do a fair job in Calais of separating the obviously traumatised and shell-shocked Ukrainian speaking women and children from the darker skinned young male economic migrants. The problem is that the Home Office donât seem to be able to come to the same determination, and so treat them all the same.
While many voters may indeed want the economic migrants kept out, the majority of those same people will welcome the women and children who are genuine refugees of war with open arms. Regrettably, the UK government does not seem to understand this mind set.
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How many people have fled Ukraine? How many are expected to?
If anyone has been watching UK news they will have seen how much the general public want to help. I feel embarrassed on behalf of people who keep doing down the British or English people and those who still seem unable to come to terms with Brexit nearly six years after the vote.
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So if your country is at war and you flee you are a refugee if youâre a white woman, but an economic migrant if youâre a brown man. Thatâs a bit reductive, donât you think?
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The UK government is able to set up (with Franceâs blessing) a visa processing centre in Lille for Ukrainian refugees but canât do that for others people wishing to enter the UK, somethingâs not right.
Hardly - it was a slender majority of those who actually voted and not âthe majority of people in the U.K.â.
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Yes, I agree that it is reductive, and also a case of profiling in action. However, in a case of extreme emergency there is no time for worrying about being politically correct. Us English have this tradition of it being a case of âwomen and children firstâ when the ship is sinking. Yes it is sexist, but I would give up my place in the lifeboat for you just because it is our tradition.
Instantaneous profiling may not be popular in certain quarters but it is certainly efficient and effective in certain circumstances. For example: when trying to combat a spate of burglaries it is much better to stop and check the car that contains three doubtful looking teenage males than the one that contains three well dressed late middle aged to elderly women.
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If you donât vote then whether overtly or covertly youâre agreeing to give your backing to whatever the result is. It doesnât seem unreasonable that the percentage that didnât vote should be put together with those who voted for âthe winning sideâ, if they didnât want that result they should have voted against it. 
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This was my arguement at the last French Presidential ⌠when many French friends insisted they couldnât decide who to vote for⌠thus they would abstain or ruin their voteâŚ
I suggested (gently) that they vote for the person they disliked the least⌠
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