The Benefits of Vaccination (with thread drift...)

https://youtu.be/urZLTobAfJc

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Yes when does sheer incompetence become criminal…???

The same thing happened with polio…switching out the trialled vaccine for a different untested one…

What about Mers and Sars…???

How can they have fully published their trials when trials are still ongoing…??? Moderna only just now beginning a trial on pregnant women…

I’ve recently read through the contract Pfizer has with all the countries…so aggressive and able to claim a country’s assets in the event of non payment…they have no liability to either countries or injured people…

I’m not mathematically minded and no statistician but here’s someone who would like to be proven wrong…he would rather look stupid and issue a correction than say nothing…

The two concepts bear no relationship to each other…

Watch: A Maryland nurse’s report from ground zero…

In an ideal world those amongst us who choose to remain unvaccinated and who chose natural immunity over vaccinated immunity would be absolutely no threat to the vaccinated…

But with a waning protection currently amounting to 39% efficacy (Forgetting for a minute the question of absolute risk versus relative risk ) and questionable ability to prevent transmission…there are still huge questions to be answered about what’s driving the variants…

Does anyone really want to take a third booster shot under those terms knowing it may well require another booster in another 6 months…???

It’s starting to sound like the lepto vaccine in dogs…causes more harm than good…

But ultimately this is not a vaccine in any sense of the accepted definition …this is an experimental gene therapy and the EUA was granted under lies and deceit…

Peter Doshi again writing in the British medical journal…

“ Finally, it may affect the potential for vaccine mandates: “It is unlikely these vaccines will be mandated while an EUA is in place. Remember that currently these vaccines are still considered experimental.”

While still under EUA, an increasing number of educational and other institutions have already mandated vaccines, but debates over the legality of these actions has hinged on the distinction between authorisation and approval.19

But approving a vaccine in order to legally support mandates or convince people of its safety arguably puts the cart before the horse. Meissner responded that a BLA would not be issued until the FDA is convinced of the short and long term safety of these vaccines.

No new biodistribution studies for covid-19 vaccines

Officials have consistently emphasised that despite shaving years off traditional timelines for producing vaccines, no compromises in the process were taken.20 However one type of study, tracking the distribution of a vaccine once injected in the body, was not conducted using any of the three vaccines currently authorised in the US.

Such biodistribution studies are a standard element of drug safety testing but “are usually not required for vaccines,” according to European Medicines Agency policy,21which adds, “However, such studies might be applicable when new delivery systems are employed or when the vaccine contains novel adjuvants or excipients.”

In the case of covid-19 vaccines, regulators accepted biodistribution data from past studies performed with related, mostly unapproved compounds that use the same platform technology.22232425

Janssen told The BMJ its covid-19 vaccine leverages the same technology as its Ebola vaccine, which received licensure last June. “Our confidence in our adenovirus vector Ad26 is based on our experience with this vector.”

Pfizer and Moderna did not respond to The BMJ’s questions regarding why no biodistribution studies were conducted on their novel mRNA products, and none of the companies, nor the FDA, would say whether new biodistribution studies will be required prior to licensure”

That’s just it @Helen6, we dont live in Brigadoon or Shangrilah ( apologies if mispelt).
If you are unfortunate enough to get the virus you will expect to be treated and in doing so put those who would treat you at risk.
Having a belief in a cause is everyone’s right but if that belief brings unnecessary risk to others then that is outright selfishness.
Being double jabbed protects me and those who I might come in contact with, and that could be you.
Why not do your good turn for the day and help me to stay alive.

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You will never convince Helen, when they are so entrenched in the conspiracy theory beliefs it is pointless.

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Doshi is a researcher/statistician who as editor of the BMJ is entitled to write an opinion piece…that is really all it is. He has no medical qualifications.

As already mentioned I think I already had the virus at the beginning of all this and so shall rely on my natural immunity…I take full responsibility for my own health and know how to treat myself…I’ll not be taking up any hospital space…

Do you not see how coercive that statement is asking me to get double jabbed in order to help you stay alive when you are already double jabbed…???

I hope you realise that I am speaking from a place of love…I would never wish harm on anyone…

And whilst ADE has not been ruled out and vaccine injuries continue to mount and no one yet knows how to treat them and no one yet knows the long term affects then I hope also that people realise that the 50% of us who have drawn a line in the sand will not rest until this is safe for everyone or withdrawn and treatment offered instead…I sincerely hope that no one has to take a booster that is only 39% effective and something much better comes along…

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Since when did Helen become they…??? :grinning:

Yes I’m female…a woman…a mother…but I have never identified as “they” :grinning:

Who do you think we should listen to…???

I’m currentjy listening to the most cited heart specialist…a Nobel prize winner…lots of vaccinologists and epidemiologists…the man who was asked to research the patents…the German lawyer gathering evidence on the corona virus Commitee…

I listen to many…the people suffering vaccine injury…the nurses witnessing vaccine injury…I wonder how many hospital beds are currently taken up by the vaccine injured…???

What I don’t listen to is the threats and coercion by non medically qualified politicians and political editors…

We are currently in a situation where “fact checkers” will label peer reviewed science as false or misleading…the most cited heart specialist as false or misleading…papers awaiting peer review as false or misleading…

Anyone questioning mr gain of function is deemed to be questioning science itself when mr gain of function had already bet on Moderna before covid 19 was even talked about and will receive royalties…

The ongoing opioid crisis that roils on turns out to be an agreement between main players…the patent holder for the non addictive version agreed to withhold their patent to advance the more lucrative addictive version

Dr Malone who invented the platform for mRNA technology but not the current mRNA covid 19 gene therapy’s masquerading as vaccines also got caught up in years of patent disputes…

Who do we trust…???

Anyway Peter Doshi…

And Nick Hudson of PANDA : The Ugly Truth about the covid 19 lockdowns

Polio

Source document

Have you considered therapy? Seriously if you believe such tosh you need it!

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What are the ingredients of the Pfizer vaccine?

And what does the COVID-19 Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine contain?

According to the Government guide, the vaccine is a colourless to slightly brown, clear to slightly opaque and particle free solution.

it contains the weakened adenovirus encoding the SARS CoV 2 Spike glycoprotein, as well as the following excipients:

  • L-histidine
  • L-histidine hydrochloride monohydrate
  • magnesium chloride hexahydrate
  • polysorbate 80
  • ethanol
  • sucrose
  • sodium chloride
  • disodium edetate dihydrate
  • water for injections

As it’s now turning out that the vaccinated are just as likely to transmit covid as the unvaccinated it brings into question the whole concept of health passports etc

This is a discussion with Dr Robert Malone who is currently on many round tables bringing people together all over the world…

This one has Italian subtitles but the discussion is in English

He presents a concise explanation of both technologies …what they are…what they do…the problems…the adverse events…the potential for ADE…repurposed drugs…hope for the future…he is very data driven…

Whilst there is nothing here would convince me personally to take any of them as they currentjy stand I feel he is one of the most rational and objective voices on the internet at the minute…

I do agree with him that we need a return to evidence based medicine and the the doctor patient relationship…and I agree on his last point that these first generation gene therapys should absolutely not be mandatory…

He doesn’t benefit at all and for some cohorts at most risk he promotes the continued use…he’s had covid…is a covid longhauler and has had 2 shots of Moderna…

If you rely on logically’s “fact checking” then I can’t help…:grinning:

He didn’t create these current “vaccines” but has a unique understanding because he created the platform on which they are based

There are many wild theories out there but he sticks to what he knows and his contacts within the USA government departments having been on the forefront of previous outbreaks…

Other websites and dubious fact checkers may benefit from click throughs but Dr Malone himself doesn’t…

It was recently suggested to him that he should set up a Patreon account but on principle he declined…

Since the beginning of 2020, a few friends and extended family have died from covid…
Other friends and family have suffered from the illness, to varying degrees … but they have survived, albeit with permanent damage in a few cases.

None were vaccinated at the time. None were in any “at risk” category.
Those still alive advocate vaccination…

Details from a recent report in France:

85% of those in hospital with Covid have not been vaccinated.

78% of the Covid deaths in hospital have not been vaccinated.

11% of the Covid deaths in hospital had received first vaccine.

11% of the Covid deaths in hospital had received full vaccine.

EDIT: I know vaccination is not 100% certain of avoiding covid… but (to the majority) it gives a fighting chance of surviving it…

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And Helen 6 says she is making her stance from a place of love. Sorry I just don’t get it.