What does Labour believe?

I get NS emails, even after I stopped subscribing.

Th elatest is interesting, and perhaps shows one of the reasons why Starmer is so unpopular.

I hope the links work, because I think you can see some articles for free.

At a Conservative Party policy meeting, Margaret Thatcher once thumped a copy of Friedrich Hayek’s The Constitution of Liberty on the table and declared: “This is what we believe!”

Keir Starmer has routinely performed the opposite of this act. “There is no such thing as Starmerism and there never will be!” he insisted in 2020. Four years later, in his first speech as prime minister, he vowed to lead a government “unburdened by doctrine”.

The absence of this has become one of the defining critiques of his premiership. Last night, at an event hosted by the Future Governance Forum, a think-tank with close links to No 10, Phil Tinline, the author of the new Power Failure report, challenged “the idea that stability and ideology are opposites… if you know the basic direction of travel then investment is more likely to come in behind that and civil servants don’t need to wait for a precise steer”.

He cited the example of Thatcher’s trade union reforms in the 1980s: “The ministers would go off and come up with ways that they could take more power off the trade unions and come in and volunteer them and she would approve them. I wouldn’t know what to do in that context in the current government”.

There are consistent threads that can be identified: perhaps the most notable is greater state intervention with the aim of raising productivity and boosting living standards. Hence the Employment Rights Bill, higher taxes on business and the large increase in the minimum wage (Labour MPs, adopting the language of the free-market right, have referred to this as “shock therapy”). But these acts – you could add rail renationalisation and the creation of GB Energy – have not been cohered into a doctrine that runs through the government as Thatcherism did.

This, combined with the government’s unpopularity, is why the search for one has intensified. In this week’s New Statesman , Paul Ovenden, the former No 10 head of political strategy, calls for an Anglo-Gaullist politics defined by sovereignty: “the dream of a country that builds back its resilience and self-reliance”.

Then there is Andy Burnham’s “Manchesterism”, a Benn-esque combination of economic and constitutional radicalism: public ownership, new wealth taxes, greater devolution and electoral reform. Ed Miliband, the chief cabinet representative of the soft left – and spoken of as a potential leadership candidate or chancellor – has privately urged Starmer to root his focus on living standards in a sharper critique of inequality and trickle-down economics. Wes Streeting, meanwhile, is championing a fusion of social democracy and liberalism that he believes could unite progressives against Reform. Shabana Mahmood offers a communitarian politics shaped by place and faith and guided by the contributory principle.

At the close of last night’s event, Ovenden, who appeared on the panel alongside Tinline, reflected that the long war against Corbynism and the Conservatives had the effect of suppressing Labour’s intellectual tensions. “Lots of the differences between very good people, some of whom are sat around the cabinet now, who have fundamental ideological differences, were never ironed out in opposition”. The test of Labour’s next leadership contest – whenever it may come – will be whether they are.

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Yes, Thatcher had an agenda and gave us “Thatcherism” - that worked out well for us in the end.

Do politicians need to have a bag of policies associated with their name as an “ism”?

Or do they need to stick with a general guiding principle (which, for Starmer is probably centre-left socialism) and adjust as necessary?

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I’d settle for Socialism, to be honest. Something with a guiding principle and a clear set of values, espoused by a leader who cared about leading and communicating.

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I think today’s Guardian sums up the mismatch between the “agenda” which politicians have and the “agenda” of their voting public.

There’s a video of Starmer arriving in Beijing and a photo of a decaying town centre in the UK.

In recent years, all top politicians do it (Macron does, for example). They can’t sort out the issues at home, so they find the issues of elsewhere in the world more interesting.

Whether Starmer likes it or not - actions speak louder than words and he’s sending the wrong messages.

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I won’t believe in Starmer that much until food banks begin to disappear in the UK!

Food bank usage has dropped by nearly 8% since Labour took over according to the Trussel Trust who operate the majority of UK food banks. Apart from a decrease after COVID, caused by a rapid increase during COVID that’s the first drop in food bank usage since records were started in 2009.

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It’s a step in the right direction but that’s bloody slow for a basic human requirement.

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Considering it went up ten fold in ten years (2013 to 2023} during the Tories, that’s a hell ofa lot of momentum to overcome, so a nearly 8% drop is actually very impressive. Looking at the exact dates, that was from April 2024 to March 2025 so the latest yearly figures will be out in a few months. The last figures are from just over three months of Tory government and just less that 9 months of Labour government.

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That’s fair

I just hope it drops again, but my confidence in that is not that strong.

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That’s the thing though - no-one is shouting about this, perhaps they should.

Competent government is not sexy. Do we really want to go back to a parliament paralysed by impossible decisions, multiple characters wanting to get their media exposure and “Prime minister of the week”?

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I’m not really seeing the current government as competent. Far too many u-turns on topics they should have thought about and consulted on more deeply.

But you present a false dichotomy. The alternatives are, even if you restrict the opposition to the last lot, bickering and in-fighting (no, wait, that’s Labour at the moment) … what I want is a party

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I don’t disagree - though I do view Labour as the best of a distinctly disappointing showing at the moment.

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The U-turns were on policies that would have achieved very little, with the majority they have so much more could and should be done that will improve people’s lives.

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It’s one of the things that does frustrate me about Starmer - as far as I could see his stance pre-election was “safe pair of hands” which after 14 years of gross incompetance was sorely needed. And there has been some positive stuff quietly happening.

But so many of the errors have been unforced which has lead to a backlash and a U-turn and free opportunities for people to complain he is not doing a good job.

As I said I am not blind to Starmer’s or Labour’s faults - but (apart from possibly Ed Davey) I do’t see anyone I would want as PM on the scene in any party.

There’s nothing wrong with a U-turn if it is because of the realisation that there might be a better way and having the courage to adopt it. :thinking:

But it is problematic when used as a means to develop policy.

It is also problematic when it is attached to something that was clearly not going to fly in the first place.

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I remember quite clearly commenting before they won the election that I was concerned Labour simply didn’t seem especially bright - in particular after Pat McFadden had a R4 interview - but various people were quick to jump in an comment that he really was clever. Sad to say, all my concerns have proved true, and while as individuals some may well be smart, as a collective organisation they are clearly not.

This isn’t how it should be.

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One of the biggest problems for this government has been terrible comms. There are good things happening, but they never seem to get the story out there effectively or get the publicity they deserve. This is obviously also about the relentless negativity of the media. The Andy Burnham story just emphasises the fact that more importance is given to a drama over leadership than to the need for stable government in a terrifyingly unstable world.

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