Air France Premium Economy non reclining seats

It’s not as simple as that. There is no guarantee of a particular type of seat based on the model of aircraft. Airline seats are often made by specialist seat manufacturers, rather than the aircraft makers, and there can be different styles on the same model of aircraft in the same fleet. Air France, for example, use at least two different styles of long haul premium economy seat. By ‘Iberia’ I guess you mean BA - Iberia doesn’t operate A380s, but both airlines are owned by IAG and code-share. But the seats in BA A380s are but necessarily the same as the seats in anyone else’s A380.

Wow! You’re the first person I’ve come across who doesn’t really like Changi, possibly the best airport in the world!

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I’ve only been to Changi once, 30 years ago. Start of a backpacking SE Asia trip. Only thing I can really remember is the hawkers market downstairs, some great, some really weird food.

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Are you sure about that ? I was researching their flights recently and when I looked at the ‘flight details’ section of the Madrid to Washington DC flight it clearly stated that the aircraft used is an Airbus A380. I’m interested in that route as it is possible to fly direct to Madrid from Nantes.

My FIL would have loved to see it, he was interned there when the Japs invaded Singapore and then he walked the death march to the Kwai until they were liberated. He always wanted to see how Singapore had risen from the ashes but sadly he never got the chance as he suffered life long debilitation from the diseases and malnoutrition ending his life at 62.

I wouldn’t moan, family use Spirit a lot to do weekend trips to Vegas etc and its almost bring your own seat and parachute and evryone applauses when the plane gets down on the tarmac. R**nair going that way probably.

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I did explain that Iberia and BA are owned by the same company (IAG) - if you see an ‘Iberia’ flight using A380 equipment, it will be a code share with BA and you will be flying on a BA A380.

Politics topic for this… :innocent:

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What is that meant to imply?

I reckon it’s some kind of snark… :stuck_out_tongue:

You have been going hunting, haven’t you? (Classic literature reference, in case that’s not obvious.)

Ooops - I of course meant ‘specialist’! I will edit the original.

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To be honest, I’m not concerned about who the parent company of the airline may be, nor as to whether it is a code share or not. What concerns me is that when I pay substantially more for the ticket to have a reclining seat, that such seat should actually recline.
What I don’t like is being fleeced by means of blatant false advertising.

You can start with publicité mensongère.

@Vitesse did make a valid point though - knowing if it’s a code share can be very important, as you can easily end up flying on a totally different airline (with different aircraft and in-cabin service, and seat types) from the one you booked with. That didn’t happen in this instance, but often it can.

Iberia codeshare not only with BA but also with American Airlines, for example, whose fleet and service is quite different.

It can also be important to avoid codeshares if you have frequent flyer status with an airline and want to use points for upgrades or take advantage of frequent flyer perks such as being able to switch flights for free etc.

Regarding your bad seat experience this time, hopefully you will get some sort of recompense from Air France, but I suspect that the small print will probably say that the airline can provide whatever aircraft they like for operational reasons, without having to compensate passengers if it’s smaller or less comfortable.

I once booked a return flight from UK to Turks & Caicos on American via Miami in Business Class, using my AA Advantage airmiles - a couple of weeks after I made the booking AA rerouted my return trip with an extra stop via Philadelphia instead of Miami, on inferior ex-US Airways planes, and there was nothing I could do about it.

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I really don’t like hanging around airports anymore and the smaller the better suits me these days, Obviously that’s a problem with transits and long haul hubs. Whenever I hear Changi I think of Nick Leeson. The first time I visited Singapore he was a “guest” down the road in Changi prison. I also remember a barman looking at me scornfully because I didn’t throw my peanut shells on the floor in Raffles long bar. He walked by me and upended my ashtray full shells on the floor :roll_eyes:

Pity, the original could have taken us off on an interesting line of discussion.

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If there is one airport to get stuck in, it’s Changi.

This site covers travel companies too. I may be quicker than talking repeatedly to AF staff who couldn’t really care less.

https://ec.europa.eu/consumers/odr/main/?event=main.home2.show

It’s all about how much you want to pay - the point here is that when you’ve paid a lot to get premium economy and then you don’t get it. If you want to pay peanuts, then that what you will get

I’ll be there in transit in July and August but only just long enough to hoover up a bucket of laksa.