Bill for rubbish removal

General Discussion
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What narks me is that, where as before we left our bins outside our door, we now have to drag them 100 yards (some have further to take them), to a central area. The 85 year old lady next door has to do the same.

Have you noticed that there only 2 binman (at least, here) and they are hanging from the back as they did in Leeds in the stone age (Health and Safety, French style). I've noticed though, that there are quite a few young people doing this job here. You wouldn't see many doing it in the UK.

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Hello Anthony, sounds like the demand we have just received from the Mont de Châlus. We are only a mile from the border with the Pays de Saint Yrieix where these charges are included with Taxes Foncière, but in the Mont de Châlus this 'tax' is levied separately - and should have been paid two days ago. It is for emptying bins - every house should now have a wheely bin with a chip inserted, which next year will be weighed each time when emptied; the recycling poubelles, and the Déchetterie (recycling centre). Our house with 2 persons has a coefficient of 1.5, as does a secondary residence. Its an annoying little 'tax' - and I've tried for two years to be allowed to pay monthly, but they are so inefficient it has been ignored, despite being told in writing it had been set up! One of the extra joys of life in France. Tell you what though, delay paying - I literally forgot one year - and it doesn't take long before you get a pretty stern 'government' demand associated with threats of legal action!

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it changes so much from area to area and commune to commune that you need to speak to the personne dealing with ordures ménagères at your mairie/communauté de communes to know how it really works - usually helpful - I've managed to get rebates on two houses I owned as they weren't habitable and I'd got the attestations for exonoration of taxe d'habitation too ;-)

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In our area there is no limit to the number of bins. I suggest your neighbour is telling porkies when it comes to his declarations etc !

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Yes got that point.

We are 2 people most of the year and all parties relevant know

that we have paying guests.

But can anyone throw any light on the fact that my neighbour with his 6 bins is

paying the same as I am with many more?

Peter and Paul your info is different....

REFUSE was included in tax Foncier before....but not now.

So if you are running a business like a hotel or b and b or gite

how many times do you pay for refuse.....truly....

And why is every hotel and restaurant for sale in my area?

There needs to be an reason to keep these businesses alive.....

for the sake of everyone.

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The redevance if you are served by the USTOM de la Réole and Castillonais as I believe you might be Barbara works as follows. Yes there is a chip which identifies your bin and your bin only. The chip registers each time your bin is serviced it doesn't register volume of refuse or its mass. The redevance charges you a "subscription" fee for the size of the bin you have requested from Ustom, it then charges you a basic fee for each occasion this size of bin is lifted up to a maximum of, I think, eighteen times. After the basic eighteen you are charged at an additional rate on a sliding scale. The object of the exercise is to reduce the amount of waste going to landfill by recycling.

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The taxe on the bin collection was made 'independant' of the taxe d'hab many years ago. It's still based on the number of people registered in the property according to the taxe d'hab info plus the number of collections. Any change in household numbers should be made clear to the authorities.

When my good lady passed away the Mairie and thus the other departments were made aware of this and the paperwork was duly amended but my mother in law returned to the uk shortly after and I continued to pay for her 'part' of the bin levy as they were not informed of her leaving. I was obliged to prove she had indeed left the country and showed them a copy of the CPAM letter notifying her that her health benefits in Frabnce had ceased which means I am now paying just one part which saves me about 55 € per annum.

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Well I can only comment in relation to my experience of the situation.

Where I am ....apparently there is a chip in the bin?

Which, apparently records the amount of rubbish which has been taken away

from my spot on the road. By the way if I wanted the rubbish collected from

my premises directly there would be an extra fee.

My tax hab amounts to around 2,500 euros per annum.....just for the records

and within that fairly high figure should be a portion used for refuse collection.

Then, of course there are all the other taxes which I/we pay towards our share of

running costs to for the region.

IS there any acknowledgment financially for those who bring in clients from

abroad or other regions and contribute spending revenue in shops, restaurants,

taxis and vineyards?

Getting back to the original point....

Clearly and with logic....do something and try to do it right...

someone who puts out 6 bins a year should not be charged the same fee

as someone who puts out 40.

There are people involved and being paid to carry out this refuse operation.

So perhaps they can provide an answer?

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Not at all.

A passport is a document for travel and the licenses are a fixed rate

for the purpose of licence.

The refuse problem seems deceitful...It is a service paid by quantity use

and should be included in rates/tax hab.

Was miss handled in UK .....in the London boroughs which I knew of

and misdirected here.

If the bin is chipped how can THERE BE such bazaar calculations?

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A few notes on this topic of refuse collection.

We are 2 in our property but in the height of summer we have guests....

More rubbish....lots more.

We have friends who live just close by for about 3 months of the year max

and they are a family of 3....their refuse bill was identical to mine.

However on a different note....when talking about business waste...In

London we paid for each sack taken away and half of it was spilt onto the

road by the men who collected it. The cost was several thousand pounds a

year and I left the business 8 years ago.

Bad management in France, UK and beyond....I imagine.

Getting harder to make it work.....too many cooks spoil the broth.

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have moved around a fair bit and ours have always been very simple and never divided into different amounts - never had our own bin either - very posh ;-)

Had a couple of places which weren't habitable, got the relevant attestations and didn't have to pay for the ordures ménagères or taxe d'habitation ;-)

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I have just received our redevance and see that I am slightly in error. The redevance is made up of three parts (wasn't Gaul?) 1. The subscription /rent of the bin which is on a scale of bin size; we have the next smallest bin available. 2. A charge for 18 collections per annum at a prix forfaitaire but not free as I said above (such a bargain rate!) 3. A charge at a higher rate for every collection above 18. Result 127 euros per year. (plus the cost of the eboueurs calendar each Christmas --- though that of course is voluntary)

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Yep ,it's another tax, one of the oh so many (try running a business here!!!) most places I've lived have always charged :-(

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Different areas different approaches. Until last year our rubbish collection charge was rolled in with our taxe d'habitation. Now we have a dustbin with an electronic chip which records how many times our bin is collected. It was promoted as being potentially cheaper than the rate on our taxe d'habitation. But it's a fine balance. We get so many collections "free" and then pay for colections over our allowance. If you do the math we're actually paying more than when we paid as part of our taxe d'habitation. This is all supposed to take account of the cost of disposal to landfill per metric tonne but our poubelles are volumetric so we could fill them to bursting point with voluminous but light materials or fill them with lead for the same price. Crazy but there you go.Pay up and play the game. In UK you'd still pay a percentage on your council charge whether or not you were in occupation or not.The system locally encourages one (not that we would dream of doing so) of creeping out the veille of collection and putting our ordures in a neighbour's vacant bin. LOL

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From what I have read this can be an extra charge levied by the locality if they wish. The fact that someone is only here for a short time does not affect the need to pay it as the facility is provided for you whether or not you use it.

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Not in the least, I propose it would be difficult to police such a framework. I live in a town of 11000 occupants, does the Mairie know the developments of all ? Regardless assuming anybody has an issue over their rates for container assortments then, at that point, raise the point with the nearby power. You have two months (on the off chance that I review) to challenge the bill. Attempt to legitimize your non-presence and see what the response is.

Possibly a superior framework is take your name off the register and take your junk straightforwardly to the closest tip if and when required and as per your essence in France ? Then, at that point, everybody would be glad.

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I had a second home in France 50 years and had o pay for rubbish collection for I think the whole of that period. It probably wasn’t occupied for more than about 6 weeks a year for decades. The same thing happens in the UK. In London there are thousands of empty flats bought by overseas investors. Some of them are Russians.