Climate/ecological breakdown

By the way nuclear fission gets a bad press - deaths per MWh are comparable to wind & solar.

The biggest problem is that a *lot* of plants are running to the end of their lifetimes and it takes a long time to build new & get them on stream.

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I have a lovely picture of my grandson in his Munich garden in 45 to 50 cm of snow.
This huge amount was mentioned on the World Service News last night.

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@billybutcher has said it for me, as you have yourself.

I’m all for continuing research, but not at the expense of other methods of generating clean energy.

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Could there be a gold rush for buried hydrogen?

Wonder who the many are? I could hazard a guess.

:roll_eyes: it’s nothing to do with an EV so it must be bad :laughing:you would think anything that might help, but o no looking for the downside :wink:

Its not the idea of the hydrogen and using it where batteries cannot be its William Gates and his establishment of billionaires that masquerades as caring.

I wonder where all the money for battery development and production has ultimately come from :wink: and this is before you get to all the Saudi money invested in EV manufacturers like Tesla, Lucid and Chinese EV manufacturers :roll_eyes:

Indeed, China is easy to figure, also Korea. The others?

Saudi own 65% of Lucid, have substantial investment in Tesla, it’s not hard to find substantial oil state/company investment in EV/battery companies if you look for it :wink:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-08/saudi-arabia-s-next-act-is-supplying-the-world-with-ev-batteries?leadSource=uverify%20wall

Big money backs eachway bets, always have because they, unlike us can afford to.
Same as media companies publishing one article one day and the opposite another. Selling more copy and taping into selective bias.

So it’s all right for that, but not hydrogen :roll_eyes:

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Has to be a balance, if we went all out hydrogen we would get anywhere either.

Your one sided arguments/bias can be quite entertaining at times.

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I do at least listen to both sides. There was a point not long ago when I was all for hydrogen for many of the same reasons you do. The change was a big deep dive into why it wasnt the panacea it was hoped for.

See now that’s where you are wrong, I have dealt with hydrogen usage through my work and know full well the disadvantages of it, but know said problems can and could be over come for it to be a valid option in getting the world away from petrol and diesel.
I don’t dismis it, I always find it funny when any arguments about how EV’s might be vastly overstated in their impact just tends to get ignored on here by their supporters.

Possibly. Finding an emission free source of hydrogen close to an industry that can use it would be great.

It’s less of a good thing once transport & pipelines are involved, due to that pesky smallness.

Also, in a world that is diversifying it’s energy sources, & thus the ability to be more energy autonomous, it’s a very retrograde step to sign up to yet more reliance on large global businesses.

We are doing that with most things anyway as they are the ones with the money to back any schemes, EV and battery suppliers, wind turbine suppliers, solar suppliers, nuclear etc

Thats the biggest issue, you know these things but dont share, these are discussion forums but your stance is almost always knocking at those wearing their hearts on their sleeves and opening up topics at which you pick at. Gets just as annoying as me looking and posting battery improvements i suggest. Share your thoughts.

Apart from ‘that pesky smallness’ as @Badger puts it, the main issues with hydrogen up to now has been how to make it, as it requires lots of energy to crack it from water or other substances. If you crack it from hydrocarbons, it also produces lots of CO2 (or C with pyrolysis) . If you could have a plentiful supply of native hydrogen then that may make a difference. The issues I see are in the word ‘plentiful’. The hype earlier in the year about a hydrogen find in France were, it seems, over hyped as the amounts involved were very small in the grand scheme of things.
As an aside, parked up near Carcassonne, I saw three large lorries in a convoi exceptionnel convoy, all of which were emblazoned with ‘100% Biogas fuelled’ on the side. Yes, it was in English, even though the lorries were French.

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