Climate/ecological breakdown

Something a more heartening.

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Mmmm…

A good start is to look. Then question. Then act.

China, always with 100 year+ plans is already well underway to feed its followers

the fact that every single human needs food and water, and there is not enough arable land on Earth for the projected increase of 2 billion people by 2050. The instinct, on a primal and national level, is to hoard

The question, instead, is whether people can see the problems and overcome self-interest or profit motives to solve them.

Doing nothing while letting others do something may be easier but not the wisest choice if we have an interest in who and how humanity lives in the future.

We’ll just have a war, the traditional way of reducing populations

Just what China is planning for with surplus of male children recruited into the world’s largest standing army, and new navy.

Excellent news. Well done to the new government in getting this changed so quickly.

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It is good news, but the real problem is the time it takes to get grid connection for renewable projects. I believe the wait is currently about 10 years. The grid desperately needs modernising and upgrading to cope with many more renewable energy projects so that they can come on stream much more quickly.

Ah but was that 10y under the previous administration who didnt really have any interest in doing so other than a sound bite.

I believe the ten years is at least in part to do with work needed to balance the grid and other physical issues, but is also partly bureaucratic. @Badger may have a better appreciation of the issues.

Whilst the world burns the UK has judges who think that climate change is a…

& that…

Couple that with Republicans supporting the oil industry by shouting…

…I’m feeling despair today.

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And then there’s this… (it might be UK based but we’re seeing the same problems here too).

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I find the comment about democracy interesting. If these were protestors marching on the streets, picketing outside oil companies and being locked up for it then it would be likely undemocratic. However they had a significant impact on the lives of a lot of ordinary people, and I know few British that would support them. If democracy is following the will of the majority then locking them up is likely the most democratic thing to do.

And every cause needs it’s martyrs.

…but such action would still effect the lives of some people, so that argument doesn’t hold water.

Anecdote is not evidence. I know plenty of people who do support them.

Even if that were the case I’m guessing that the majority would rather see those who are a real danger to society incarcerated, rather than those who are attempting to save it from itself.

As the article makes very clear, there is neither the space nor resources to lock up every offender.

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I lost any tiny support for their reasonable ideas and concerns when those old biddies were attacking the Magna Carta with hammers, what the hell has that got to do with climate problems and it belongs to all the british people even them. Prison won’t do them any good plus its taking up places that real crims should be given. Fines would be a better idea whereby they may lose their homes or possessions to teach them a lesson in their pockets.

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They were sentenced for breaking the law, not for making inconvenient legal protests.

It would be interesting to see what proportion of British support the actions of JSO. I know a few that do, but they are a small minority.

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That might be true but the lengths of the sentences were disproportionate.

The Tories basically removed people’s right to protest or demonstrate if it is at all inconvenient to the status quo.

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Again, anecdote, not evidence.

However, I’m reasonably sure that you are right in your supposition, sadly.

Nothing directly, but it clearly got your attention, which is the whole point. The artefact was never in danger.

Yes, that…

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There is no real answer to the situation, if you don’t imprison them they’ll simply carry on with more joining them no doubt. I just wish the JSO protesters would focus their energy in engaging with the public to gain widespread support which is the only way to effect real change, unfortunately, they can’t see beyond protest so I expect more disruption and more prison sentences.

I would agree with you there. If Emily Davidson had not been killed by the kings horse, would it taken much longer for women to be given the vote? Perhaps this will make a more useful difference.