Overheating, fouled plugs, poor starting and performance. Its always bad!
Iām not Nellie either but while I agree with the sentiment, I donāt think that was an appropriate way to phrase it.
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The term āretardā is coarse and negligent shorthand used by coarse and negligent persons to describe a child or adult with a learning difficulty.
No person of average intelligence will be unaware that to use it is insulting and hurtful, and those who use it awarely are particularly cruel and harmful actors in civilised society.
Those who wilfully cross this boundary of civilised behaviour and give offence to innocents do IMO deserve punitive sanction, so that they learn not to reoffend and befoul themselves and the wider community.
We shall not tolerate them or their pollution.
As far as Iām concerned, Ben, itās good riddance. You are a grown man, isnāt it time you learned to behave like one? If you were 7 or 8 it might be excusable.
Ermā¦if we actually look back through the thread and put it into contextā¦then the comment was about failing grayling and the electronic tag fiascoā¦which failing grayling should be held to account for his failings in my opinionā¦Itās hard to believe that heās still in office but such is the state of uk politics at the momentā¦
Lots of times people (not me) may get āoffendedā by the cuss wordā¦
Butā¦
Ben has shadowed out the controversial wordā¦is that not enough to continue on as friends who enjoy discussion and debate and who are all fellow travellers on lifeās journeyingā¦??? x 
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Itās not a ācussā word in my hearing, Helen, nor in the hearing of anyone who is a family member of a child or adult with a learning difficulty, it is like a knife to the heart, a vile humiliating and dehumanising, stigmatising term, it causes pain, it makes people feel worthless, excluded; and any person of average intelligence knows that.
It is unforgivable IMO. Ben likes to shock and disconcert, I think there is a streak of cruelty there, and a sense of entitlement to offend, and bluster his way through, and to hell with the sentimental softies who, in Margaret Thatcherās hallowed words, ādrool and drivel that they careā.
We seem to be stumbling back to those contemptuous times that she did so much to fashion, our āno such thing asā society. I shall continue to call itās proponents out, how about you?
In this instance I was referring to the f wordā¦x
I donāt think for one minute that Ben was referring to disabled people with his comment if taken in contextā¦
Personally Iāve been avoiding Eurovisionā¦first year everā¦
@benvanstaveren, donāt take things so personal, if people are unhappy with what youāve said (blacked out or not) just leave it there, if I got the huff every time someone criticised me Iād be in a permanent sulk.
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Thatās the reason for a dip in the viewing figures, understand now.
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Helen, I donāt often disagree with you but on this matter I do. If calling an incompetent politician to account degenerates into combining obscenity that include a vile word used to mock people born with a learning difficulty that has stigmatised, and continues to stigmatise them for centuries of exclusion and shame, then we are truly a lost people.
People with learning difficulties and their carers are reporting a steep increase in hate crime in recent months. Comments like Benās fuel and legitimise hate IMO and are not defensible. If his feelings are hurt, at least he will learn what hurt means, as those he thinks of as āretardsā do.
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Ben āblacked outā the word āretardā because he thought, or knew, it was objectionable or unspeakable (he mentioned āevilā himself). Moreso than the other word he used to qualify and augment it. He knew he should not have used it, and he knew why. So why did he use it?
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Does it really matter Peter, people have expressed their unhappiness with Benās use of language and that should be the end of it.
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It does matter, and some people ālovedā it, which encourages him. And I will say no more about it.
Iām not a big fan of the word either and airline pilots suffer this kind of abuse every dayā¦
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Thatās enough, everyone get back to the topic, or go for a walk.
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Sometimes conversations just drag on when they were better ended.
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The first legal challenge to facial recognition technology in UK is being brought by Ed Bridges who is opposing the use in Cardiff.
He says it is to determine and lay down laws on the use of this technology, which is totally unregulated at the moment.
This should have been done by government.
It is appalling that this is being used without any controls over its use.
It is both lawful and regulated, this explains itās use by the Met -
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This is being challenged, so we will have to wait and see the outcome.
The fact that only 3 out of 43 forces have trialled these cameras should be an indication that the confidence in their accuracy is not there which ultimately means they wonāt be in mass use any time soon.
Panic over?
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