it was only a term of endearment Jane and not at all an offensive word (or indication) I’m sure you will pleased to note and certainly not directed at you specifically…
How you can say that the word pleb is a term of endearment I do not understand.
It’s my fault Jane - Everytime l post something Grahame has a little dig - a few days ago he failed to read one of my posts about the new tax forms and wrongly took me to task. This reference to Plebs was his way of having another dig and was specifically directed at me and my reference to an article in the Economist. Of course you are right ‘Pleb’ is not a term of endearment and in this instances could never be interpreted as such.
I’d appreciate it @Dan_Wood if you were to correct your facts.
I did not have a dig about your linked post, I merely pointed out that it was behind a paywall - nothing more. If you saw it as a stab at you, then you are sadly mistaken. I can assure you it was nothing more than providing information to other readers of your thread who might be troubled by the paywall issue. Other posters on SF will usually make a notr if there is a paywall.
As for the other reference, your post was ambiguous and looked as though it belonged in the 2021 tax return #stayontopic thread - it was not. You then admitted you were referring to a prior year tax issue, not the one on topic but I apologised nontheless for misreading it. Perhaps as your post in the #stayontopic thread was misplaced, perhaps you would care to remove it.
Firstly, and yet again l would suggest you read this post as it was completely on topic about this years tax returns and it was intended to help others - Why on earth should it be removed?
'‘We complete a paper return each year - Last year, for our revenue from Government pensions, the Box 8TK was missing from the Form 2042 and l was advised by our local friendly tax office to create one and fill it in on the form. That caused no problems. This year, as well as the 2047 and 2042 we have received a Form 2042CK which happily, at Section 8.1 DIVERS, includes the elusive Box 8TK - Revenus de source étrangère ouvrant droit a un crédit d’impot égal a l’impôt français.’
Hope this helps other Luddites with a Government pension.
Secondly - Your reference to "Plebs’ is unnecessary and uncalled for - as Jane pointed out - As for your “term of endearment” comment I’ll leave you to unravel the definition of Pleb.
I removed my post in that thread days ago and there is nothing more to be said about it. You clearly have an issue with it and if it troubles you so much then report it to @cat.
The same goes with the reference to plebs but it is your facts that need to be checked.
If you believe I am targetting you for some obscure reason, then report that too to @cat
You may be seething with rage at Graham’s perceived digs at you (which I don’t see personally but can understand you perhaps see differently) but it’s generally polite @Don_Ward to at least get someone’s name right when you’re taking them to task…
Besides, you want to try being me, every time I so much as muse I saw a nice cloud in the sky one or two people pop up with a snide remark, it just amuses me so I laugh at it and make a point of saying so, so it defuses their (self) importance.
Also, you can call me a pleb if you like @graham. Sticks and stones and all that, or plebs and bigwigs maybe…
Well the curious thing is I didn’t call anyone a pleb so Dan Wood has jumped on a bandwagon which has already left. He accused me of not reading a post and it seems like it is the same thing for him too
I’m at a loss, Graham, to understand how anyone can take this personally or infer any kind of insult. ![]()
Izzy x
I have seethed with rage infrequently in my life Kirstea, once when my brother in law, a serving police officer, was murdered whilst trying to stop an armed robbery, leaving my sister a widow and my 3 year old niece and my 5 year old nephew orphans. Another when the staff at the Nursing Home where my Father was dying left him in a pool of his own urine an excrement for days and another, at a slightly lower level when the British public voted for Brexit.
Having a discussion about misunderstandings with another SF member doesn’t come remotely close. But l thank you for your concern and kind words and, will of course, endeavour to spell Graham correctly in the future.

It must be nice to be so calm and composed that only those incredibly extreme examples rile you up! I would be a bit more than just seething with anger at those, and have been, but probably best kept to myself in this forum, don’t want to overshare and all that. But yes, I keep hoping as the years go on I will develop more of the French chilled attitude to life, and day to day I am pretty chilled I guess, but work always has a way of pressing the buttons. One day I hope I can be as calm as you!
But no, I didn’t think you were literally seething with rage, I guess I should be less hyperbolic in future, stick to being entirely literal.
For goodness’ sake move your beds!
Poor pet
And as Dame Edna used to say, I mean that in caring way. ![]()
Thank you so much John - who knew

Saying us plebs as Graham did is, whilst not exactly a term of endearment, entirely harmless!
We’re all plebs after all.
@Dan_Wood .Please stop stirring. Cheers.
He lives in the center of Brexit land…Redcar, near Middlesborough.
Did I see the words paper tax return and Luddite in the same post…I thought you now had to it using an online account.
I did my first French return of years ago and needed some information to send to HRMC for a double taxation claim and the only way to get it from FR tax office was by opening an online account. Which seemed OK as I hadn’t done a uk return on paper since 2012.
Yes John, Its an odd thing isn’t it. I understood that continuing to use paper returns was for people who were tech unsavvy, don’t have a computer or are in some other way, shall we say, “challenged” and there are plenty of ways of obtaining assistance in completing the return online as outlined in this thread or by using a public access computer either at the local library or Mairie. I may be wrong, but I also thought you declared sur l’honneur that you were unable in some prescribed way to use the technology.
I would have thought personally. that someone used to using social media, does use social media and clearly with the means to do so would not fall in to that category requiring the submission to be made electronically like everyone else.
From Wikki:
The Luddites were a secret oath-based organisation of English textile workers in the 19th century, a radical faction which destroyed textile machinery as a form of protest. The group are believed to have taken their name from Ned Ludd, a weaver from Anstey, near Leicester.