I cannot believe you are really so cynical as to believe that no-one could mourn someone whose views you disagreed with.
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I think we are simply questioning the motives and sincerity of those who claim to be āmourningā Charlie Kirk, not the general principle of being sorry that someone has died whether we like them or not.
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Would you say the same if someone slotted Putin/Trump/the fat NK one?
Well, that is as cynical, isnāt it? Iāve already distinguished those who sought to make capital out of the death from the genuine mourners.
Would we have questioned the motives of the mourners at Jo Coxās funeral (murdered by a white supremacist)? Or at David Amessās? What is it about Charlie Kirk that brings out such appalling cynicism? You can hate his views without traducing the mourners, Iād have thought.
Yes, of course.
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I am very cynical about everything Trump does, because he has proven time and again that he has zero empathy for any human being except himself. Zero.
And again we are talking about a political rally not a genuine celebration of someoneās life.
Of course not - but again - this was NOT a funeral. The situations are different.
If Trump were to turn up at Charlie Kirkās funeral and pay his respects in an orderly manner, without grandstanding and using the event to attack people he disagrees with, I would have no problem with that.
But you seem to be equating modestly attending a funeral with holding a political rally in a big stadium. The two are not comparable.
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I donāt know if there was also a private funeral: I suppose there was.
But the memorial service of any public figure, let alone someone like Kirk, is always going to be a public event. And when the death occurred so shortly before it, people will mourn.
I remember the Queen mourning Prince Phillip, very publicly indeed. Iām sure you didnāt question her motives.
I think youāre defending an indefensible position!
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Lord Porridge you are again misunderstanding my point.
A memorial service is fine. A political rally is entirely different.
Anyway thatās enough from me on this subject, we shall have to agree to disagree about the relative merits of Mr Kirk and whether his ācontributionsā to the world should be celebrated or not. 
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In the days before the twitterati mob - and all the social media rubbish - can I remind you all of something -
the death of Mrs Thatcher
- and how the Left wing and unions said they were āhappy to āDance on her graveā¦ā - and remember all the other appalling comments made - after she was dead.
- Whatever one thought of Mrs T - she was an elected Prime Minister of the UK - survived a bomb attack by the IRA - and improved the lives of many people.
- Mrs T did not deserve to have anyone ādancing on her graveā. Donāt remember any from the right wanting to dance on the graves of other Labour pmās did they ?
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Do they sell merchandise at public funerals in England?
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The guy was a podcaster. The fact that MAGA peeps were trying to pin his murder on the lefties is hilarious when you consider that most lefties didnāt have a clue who he was until he died. He is way more famous now than he ever was alive.
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You may not have been keeping up with the news.
It turns out that the accused was a āleftieā, who was interested in trans rights.
The reason the left hate him so much is that he was so effective in garnering support for Trump, especially among the young (could that be why your āleftieā friends havenāt heard of him?).
I hope they donāt apply the death penalty if he is convicted.
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A mass debater?
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Thatās one view.
Very 10cc
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Oh FFS again.
Yes, I keep up with the news. Yes, I know exactly who the accused is and his so-called motive. MAGA is making it out to be this vast left wing conspiracy when it was more than likely one dude who was dating a trans person and who was sick of Kirkās anti-trans shit. Not that that is any good reason, duh, but it looks like is was most likely that, and only that. No conspiracy whatsoever. Trump and Co. will take any opportunity to blame āthe leftā. Too bad the kid grew up in a MAGA household and didnāt hold strong political beliefs one way or another - it kind of blows their whole narrative, but that wonāt matter, theyāll continue to push it.
Lefties had heard about him, but didnāt follow him. Lots of righties didnāt either. There is a vast, vast difference between MAGA and āregularā Republicans, and between Christianity and Christian Nationalism. The left does not hate the right, despite what you seem to think (but, yeah, they hate Trump). The left hates MAGA, Christian Nationalism, and fascism. Kirk was a Christian Nationalist and, yes, did a lot to bring people into that fold, which is honestly ruining the US (Project 2025, anyone?). MAGA loved him because he was converting people to MAGA. To be clear, it has nothing at all to do with the fact that he was a Christian. Plenty of Republican Christians were appalled at what Kirk believed as well as those on the left. And there are plenty of Christians on the left, although MAGA would have us believe otherwise.
You seem to keep trying to boil all of this down into left vs. right and intolerance for people who have different beliefs and opinions. That is so simplistic. āDifference of opinionā is not what I call it when people on one side believe that others should be left alone to live their lives as they see fit, as long as it isnāt hurting anyone else, and people on the other side want to tell everyone else what to believe and how to live, according to their religion, and pass laws to force them to do so, whether it is harmful to them or not. And the laws that they are passing are nothing but harmful.
The differences are not in āopinionsā, they are differences in morality. Charlie Kirk wanted to hurt people. He wanted to take away rights from minorities, immigrants, LGBTQIA+ people, women - anyone who wasnāt white, straight, and male. He wanted to make their lives more difficult. MAGA and Christian Nationalism are cults. Itās mind-boggling how un-Christlike these people truly are. It doesnāt seem that any of them have ever read the red words. MAGA is making him out to be a martyr because it suits their agenda. Theyāre going to use his death as much as they possibly can, and milk it for all itās worth.
Yes, of course theyāre going for the death penalty. You know, because theyāre so pro-life (as long as it suits them).
Iām not going to respond further. This last two weeks has been exhausting and Iām over it. Watching the US go down in flames, even from afar, has been painful and terrifying. Itās only going to get worse, and now much worse, and I am done.
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Hollywood couldnāt do betterā¦
The rugged jawed Guardian of the nation and the grieving widow. Oscar nominations all round 
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Hereās a serious question.
Do you think the hatred, cynicism and tribalism expressed here by people on the left/liberal side of things might actually be a turn-off for the sort of person who would otherwise be attracted to liberal values?
Furthermore, is the reason for the decline (in America) of left/liberal fortunes the failure of those people to provide something for idealists (as the young are) to latch onto?
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No, because those things will seem to be reasonable, understandable even. Just like some on the ārightā think all libtards and commies are trying to destroy freedom and enslave others. Itās a fight to the death.
Buy I rather suspect your point is being lost in the argument.
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Iām just glad I live in France. And that a top class patisserie opened in our village so I can celebrate with a creamy, crunchy weekly millefeuille 
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I loved @AIIy ās typo/joke earlier (talking of libtards reminded me).
Politically, I am a proud leotard.
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