Impact of religion in 21st century France

Thetan is just another word for being/ person/ human. We are all thetans. The body thetan is the equivalent of the ‘spirit’, the thetan is just an entity. Auditing is basically talk therapy.

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Just like the rest of them :thinking:

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Are we including atheism in that?

No :slightly_smiling_face: - I don’t even know what atheism is. How can there be a word to describe a lack of belief in something that doesn’t exist. If it doesn’t exist, it doesn’t exist. It must only be a word for people who do believe in something to describe those that don’t. It is irrelevant to those who don’t even understand what the fuss is about. Thinking about it, which I’ve never done before, the whole concept of atheism is insulting. It implies that people who know there is no superior being are part of another “cult”, ie atheists. I would argue that they are rational people who don’t believe in any of this stuff, and do not need a word to describe themselves.

Of course, anybody can believe in anything they want. It’s only when they want to force other people to believe in it or follow some “faith” driven rules that I find it offensive, and lo and behold they all do.

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Isn’t a better term ‘agnostic’ then. One who believes that there is no supreme being/creator, but can find no evidence either way?

More or less my position, I don’t believe in any religion, but if I am wrong and there is an afterlife, then the being that organised it will be either vindictive (towards those of any belief or none), or forgiving, in which case we’ll be ok. :thinking:

Don’t disagree with anything in your post, apart from would substitute ‘believe’.

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I’ve always taken agnostic as neither believes, nor disbelieves, in higher beings. In other words they simply don’t care, and that’s where I’d probably put myself and quite a few people that I know (or so they claim!).

Atheism is actively not believing in a higher being, simple as that.

@John_Scully I can’t help thinking that you’re conflating belief with proselytizing which are two separate actions.

Only so far as it relates to those who exercise such ardency that takes on an almost religious status. I suspect most atheists aren’t sufficiently exercised by it at all.

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In which sentence? All of them? It’s a word that he has used several times. Without context your reply makes no sense.

Should have thought that was self-evident

If you’ll forgive me, you’re all looking at God wrong. It’s not rules, but a relationship.

When you decided to have children, was it because you wanted to create children you could control with a set of arbitrary rules; whom you could watch over and then, the moment they broke one of your rules, you could gleefully punish? Or, even crueller, whom you could allow to continue to break your arbitrary rules, knowing that you were going to punish them in the end?

Of course not. Any boundaries were for their own protection and benefit, and - where it were possible - you would willingly have taken any consequences of their bad behaviour on yourself.

Which is a large part of what Christians believe.

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