La Chasse - are they really a law unto themselves?

I’m not aware of any State Owned forests near us… hence my total ignorance.

But if I saw plastic fencing deteriorating as per @George1 's example… I would be talking with some folk I know who are fierce Environmental Conservationists… :wink: :wink: .. as well as at the Mairie :+1:

Isn’t there a department / Authority of Eaux et Forêts that ypu could complain to about the pollution in the forest? Now would be an ideal time as the hunting season has just ended - they could organise to get it dealt with in the gap before new season. Obviously, totally a trap for deer if 3m high but much else will be caught (too) easily in it.

Makes me sick.

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Not only is hunting allowed in forets domainiales, it has been actively, if discreetly, encouraged by Presidents from De Gaulle to Macron.. This link explains the concept of “Chasses Présidentielles”, set up for the benefit of visiting foreign dignitaries, foreign diplomats, French MPs, etc, focused now around the Chateau de Chambord, in the Loire.

The ONF (Office Nationale des Forêts) has publicly declared in the past that revenues from La Chasse form a ‘non-negligible’ portion of their overall annual turnover (clearly dominated by timber sales).

Unfortunately, any fencing/enclosure of a certain height can be thought of as a trap for deer, even if it is actually to deter/stop the deer passing into certain areas such as habitations.

I have seen similar fencing (albeit not so long, nor in such bad condition) where some land meets roadways and, in that instance, the reasoning was sound since there had been accidents involving wild animals and vehicles.

The are not that obviously different from any other patch of forested land so unless one pays attention to the signs one may not realise, but there are everywhere, Here is the Dordogne
https://www.annuaire-mairie.fr/foret-departement-dordogne.html#:~:text=Liste%2520des%252027%2520forêts%2520publiques,la%2520Dordogne%2520classées%2520par%2520arrondissement.

Interesting link.. I had assumed that State Owned Forest would be bordered/fenced with a Notice showing its designation.. but, no.

"As a reminder, a forest is defined as an area of ​ ​at least 50 hectares populated by trees that can reach a height of 5 meters. It also has a tree cover of more than 10% and an average width of at least 20 meters. In metropolitan France, the forest area represents approximately 16.9 million hectares, which is equivalent to 31% of the territory. This area is constantly increasing. Indeed, in 1985, the forest area covered 14.1 million hectares.
While nearly three-quarters of the 16.7 million hectares of French forests are privately owned, 21% of the national forest area consists of state-owned, municipal, or military forests.

To ensure that all citizens can enjoy this natural environment, state-owned forests are generally freely accessible to the public. As the ONF also manages hunting rights in the forests it administers, walkers are advised to stay informed about hunting seasons to enjoy these areas safely. "

" municipal forests are only subject to this system at the request of the owning municipality."

Seems clear to me that we have municipal woodlands and not forests around us and, sadly, much of that has been lost over recent years (fires/cutting etc).

Incidentally, OH had a thought.
Is the fencing, which shows in the photo, perhaps to stop the public wandering into a certain area???

It is beyond doubt that the baches were installed by the local chasse à courre for hunting “convenience”.The main baches will apparently be removed by the middle of this month, by the Chasse who do not deny being the origin of this appalling structure..In true French style there was a 'mobilisation’ (see photo) over Easter involving 80-100 volunteers to try and collect all the bits of plastic that had spread across the forest.

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Think I’ve posted on this subject before, but will go ahead anyway -

The term was introduced to England following the Norman Conquest to distinguish the new forests/forets and more importantly their new laws from those of the traditional greenwood. In the latter the peasantry had been allowed to hunt, forage and gather firewood, whereas all these activities became subject to very harsh punishments.

And a walled hunting ground became a ‘chase’.

I hate the thought of animals being “driven” into a trap. Absolutely ghastly.

I do note that the bache runs alongside the chemin and would (no matter what intention) stop ordinary folk from straying off the chemin and into an area which was being used by chasseurs.

EDIT: Chasseurs must not shoot towards the bache (whether or not there was an animal cowering/trapped there), as the chemin runs behind the bache and they (the chasseurs) would not be able to see whether or not there was anyone/anything on the other side of the bache.

Oh my, the mystery deepens ..

This is the sort of notice you find entering state forests (this is the 7,000 hectare one that is next to our house)..there are also little stone ‘bornes’ at regular intervals to designate the precise boundaries of the forest.

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Yes, that’s clearly marked. Did you notice it before you bought your property?

'nuffink like that around us. but I’ll keep my eyes open for when we venture further afield.

Life is certainly never dull in France, always learning something new. :+1:

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Absolutely.

One of our main reasons for moving to France, settling in this area, and buying our house in this exact spot was the opportunity to live very close to a forest.I adore them and since we have very few of them in the UK, it was a powerful ‘pull factor’ in drawing us to this area.

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I can understand that!

I’ve always loved the countryside (whereas my siblings adore huge (ghastly) cities.

For OH and I.. we sought an endless horizon, rolling hills with woodlands and fields, rivers/streams cascading noisily… and the wildlife which goes with all that.

Found our little haven quite by chance and it was love at first sight.

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This is one of the things we like best about the Morvan, it borders on the alpine without the mountains needed, and is full of forests, fields and streams.

I’m near the Morvan, and tomorrow I’m heading out to Nolay and then somewhere near Beaune( I know these aren’t in the Morvan) on my bike , following the extensive network of canals.

I think it was Mitterand who designated it a national park, I think he came from there. ( I could be wrong) The land is apparently too poor to grow stuff, so by designating it a park it would bring in touriststo help the economy.

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The main ‘business’ seems to be Charolais cattle, a few sheep, some arable crops (animal feed?) and timber. There are some lakes with recreational potential, but even at the height of summer they’re not overly busy. At the turn of 19-20th centuries Cussy had about 2000 inhabitants plus a healthy passing trade, cafes, a hotel and a very grand Mairie. Now it’s down to about 400 people, probably a 3rd of the houses are maison secondaires and some of the places are starting to crumble.

One of the strong attractions for us was that unlike parts of the west and south, it doesn’t seem full of housing estates, but there’s obviously a good reason for that.

Us too, and as we extended the house into the trees, without cutting a single one, the storm of '99 felled the one oak, and now we are almost surrounded by trees. I spent yet another blissful hour up there this morning on our way back from the first walk and I am getting to know all the individual trees, especially the majestic evergreens reaching far to the sky and gently swaying in the breeze.

We also fell lucky regarding the chasse. Our house, with 3 others, is situated in a reverse ‘D’ shaped island of forest and field. The narrow chemin runs past our place and the lane bends round, from down below us to cross the top of the chemin above. It is not worth the chasse entering our ‘island’ as there is little where they are far enough away from the 4 houses, the legal limit for hunting. They leave a warning sign at the bottom and top junctions but never enter. :joy:

Francois Mitterand was born in Jarnac, in Charente.

Whilst true, he is indelibly associated with the Morvan, Burgundy, more specifically Chateau-Chinon, where he was Maire for 22 years until ascending to the Elysée, and he represented the area in the Assemblee Nationale in total for 30 years. He was also a Senator for the area, local councillor (32 years) and President of the Nievre Department for 17 years. On the night he left the Presidency in 1995, I was in the area, and a waiter at the restaurant I was eating at proudly told me that this was Mitterand Country. In fairness, Chris, he frequently repaired to the Charente for extended holidays, and indeed is buried in Jarnac.

Well thank goodness for that, I’m not losing my marbles.