Labour lunacy šŸ™„

Oh John, fake news. :face_with_hand_over_mouth:

That’s not what I wrote, and you know that :thinking: There’s no point in twisting words that are just a few posts above :face_with_hand_over_mouth:

I might have dramatised it slightly but that’s the principle.

In my experience no business operates recruitment on that basis.

Finding staff can be expensive (via recruitment agencies or ads) and then it takes time (and hence money) to sift through applications, hold interviews etc.

It may happen at the McDonalds end of the market but most businesses will have invested time and money in recruiting staff so it’s of no benefit to them to ā€œfire them on a whimā€ and have to do the process all over again!

Well, yes, I’m exaggerating for effect somewhat, in response to John’s comment that recruitment can be too expensive to do properly for some roles. but it is quite legal to do so.

Is that not kind of the point, it shouldn’t happen at any end of the market or is it fine because it doesn’t really affect us as professionals?

I know :face_with_hand_over_mouth: Nothing like a bit hyperbole to lubricate the debate…

Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and deliver:
Into the suburbs of death cycled the probationary Deliveroo riders

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That is absolutely the way many entertainment businesses I’ve dealt with operate. There are so many candidates that when all’s said and done as long as you’re making sure you take on music pluggers for the music plugger role rather than someone who was in a plumber until last week, they’ll either sink or swim and if they sink it doesn’t matter, you just cycle on to the next one ASAP. It’s why, using music pluggers as the perfect example, almost all the good ones are independent, they won’t be part of that treadmill.

ā€œmusic pluggerā€ :thinking: If music be the food of love… plug on. It doesn’t seem to gave the same ring somehow.

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OK gang I stand corrected! Obviously there are businesses who do hire and fire ā€œon a whimā€!

(in my defence I did preface my remark with ā€œin my experienceā€¦ā€) :smiley:

I should have been a politician. :smiley:

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Have I misunderstood something or missed a post? Haven’t the Labour party ruled out protection from day 1 for most workers and changed it to 6 months? Plus they have given more rights to zero hours employees including the right to pay for cancelled shifts. I actually think this is all rather positive and I was a senior manager.

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yes they have - but that’s a late change - I think the right to sue for unfair dismissal from day one might have been in the manifesto.

Probably included to appease the Left of the party. As others have said, given how difficult it is to recruit anyone at all in the UK these days and the cost of recruitment, most decent employers will support employees to improve their performance, if that’s the issue.

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Ahhh, a very noble profession that has existed long before you were born Mr Scully, as long as there has been music there have been those who got it from the instrument to the ear! Back in the day it was more about rounding up the peasants and bribing them with hot food and less about playlists, sync licensing and payola, but promoters have always been there!

One lives and learns :slightly_smiling_face:

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I’d have thought plumber to plugger was an obvious career move.