If only, open up the tower and having divulged countries information have him for treason. HMRC are going over claims of insider trading, is there no bar too low for this nasty little pervert.
Cameron - the man who thought he had a <deity> given right to be PM because of his Oxbridge education, connections and the fact that he thought he’d “be rather good at it”. Then lead the country into the most destructive and badly handled referendum bar none.
Mr “Eat Out to Help Out” - certainly helped the virus and he then pledged to lead a government of integrity before presiding over an administration beset with problems including bullying by Gavin Williamson and Raab, Zahawi’s tax problems, his own wife’s non-dom status, Sunak himself receiving a fixed penalty notice for not wearing a seatbelt, five promises, which became pledges, which became priorities, which became putrefying policy corpses - the only one that he met (inflation) would have come down anyway. Not to mention personal gaffes worthy of a picnic full of bacon sandwiches in Ed Miliband’s hands.
Please don’t make me laugh,
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Sorry, I thought you were asking who we considered might be better PMs than Starmer?
I was - but I think we will have to disagree on the suggestion that either Cameron or Sunak were better PMs
At least it sounds like we agree that May, Johnson and Truss were disasters.
It’s pretty sad that in a discussion about the UK’s last six PM’s “least worst” is the only way to describe Keir Starmer.
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I believe that’s pretty universal when describing PM’s of the UK for quite a while. My belief is no matter what they say in order to gain office, the ultra rich who have bought politics, then tell them exactly what they will or will not do, they get a few fringe policies but that’s all.
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Starmer’s party is actively driving the electorate towards the party led by one of the architects of Brexit, a party comprising many Tory nasties and rejects. His rallying cry is “it’s all someone else’s fault”. He showed incredible lack of judgement in his selection of cabinet members, never mind Mandelson, and he has all the charm of Python’s Arthur Putey.
If reform does not lead the country after the next election it will be amazing.
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I think the problem with politics is the way information is promulgated and the lies which all parties tell.
Once you’ve abandoned truth, what do you have left? Expediency and bluff, which has been the pattern of the last 30 years.
There are some honourable exceptions, but even if they manage to climb the greasy pole, there are always people to drag them down.
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It’s been said over and over that McSweeney believes that when push comes to shove the all portions of the electorate left of Reform will vote Labour at a general election to keep Reform out, no matter how much they loathe the party. Thats what emboldens him to push his blue labour policies through knowing they are deeply unpopular with traditional labour voters, and everyone left of the tories. Ultimately he’s either going to be proved right, or hes going to have spectacular egg on his face, although of course if he’s achieved his paymasters aims by then it won’t matter either way to him.
I’ve run through what I think of each party and how electable they are before so won’t repeat the analysis - the problem is not just Labour it is that almost every party is unelectable so people flock to the man with the shiniest and most grandiose lies.
I don’t think Starmer has been a bad PM, the unforced own goals are an issue though, as is the fact that he takes too long to come to the right decision.
The oaty one has a point about lies - though he misses, I think, the fact that the RW have normalised lying on their side to the point that everyone believes it is ubiquitous. Certainly Trump has reached Orwellian levels of lying in his recent claim that 62% of Americans feel better off since the start of his presidency when independent data suggests it is more like 31%.
I don’t think Starmer, or Labour generally lie nearly as much, or with such malice but the population has sucessfully been brainwashed into thinking that “they [politicians] are all the same”.
The voting public lost faith in politicians years ago and until this is restored any slight slip up gets them tarred with the same brush as their predecessors.
There appears to be only two politicians who have principles to which they adhere, Saunders in the US and Corbyn in the UK
My first experience of actively political people was in the early 80s, with trades union reps for what I think became Unison. That was where I learned those on the left would comfortably misrepresent reality to score points. Essentially I saw lying from those on the left first, and it’s far from a uniquely right wing playbook. It’s true Trump has torn up all norms of behaviour and seeded democracy with doubt like no other.
In general, I would say Labour has been less harmful to the country than the Tories mostly because many in the party want to see change for the better, rather than Starmer enabling it to happen. But talking of prime ministers, they should be truly exceptional individuals, and we’ve not seen one of those for some time.
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I see Corbyn more as an ideologist.
Well the word I’d use certainly starts with an i …
I thought it began with a c
Oh dear oh dear!
Agree.
Though I wonder how far you’d go back. Thatcher? But her legacy is actually terrible. Churchill? But that was as much luck as greatness.
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Looks like McSweeney has fallen on his sword.
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This just shows how badly astray the British press has gone. They say he “masterminded landslide 2024 win”, when the reality is that a noisy goose in that position probably could have done the same such was the political climate. They elevated one guy to the status of ‘political strategy genius’ and he’s caused this whole crisis, the last guy they claimed that about was so incompetent he expected us to believe he drove the length of the country to test his eyes,and on and on… This has all occurred because the press elevate these scumbags to the level of some mythical svengali rather than your common or garden bottom feeder who’s just exceptionally good at blackmailing or otherwise persuading others to do what they want, and here is a national newspaper adding to that image rather than just stating his position in the team.
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