Moving with children to Normandy from UK

[JaneJones]

@Gas22

young child will help them integrate more rapidly too.

I remember the first time my partner took his kids up to the Vosges alone. He had more offers of help than he could have possible needed.

[billybutcher]

@iclark95

as I’ll be out of France more than 180 days I’ll have to pay UK tax as the double taxation agreement states (I’ve sought advice on this).

This feels like the biggest stumbling block for your plans as you need to be in France for more than 6 months of the year, which is obviously not possible if you simultaneously plan on being in the UK for more than 6 months out of twelve.

From where did you seek advice and what was it?

The route which might work is just to have your wife and family move on inactif visas, supported by you - then you can just visit as much or little as you want as an EU citizen.

[ChrisMann]

@iclark95

There’s a few people that considering it’s an advice forum and the aim of helping each other aren’t very kind with they words.

I don’t think anyone here intends to offend with what they say, but often people will give quite blunt advice or opinions because they want to be honest and also make sure that people moving to France are under no illusions about possible pitfalls, and don’t make avoidable mistakes!

SF is a very friendly community of folks who in my experience are very knowledgeable and willing to help - but the written word can come across as a bit blunt or unfriendly sometimes, when you can’t hear “tone of voice”! - it’s never meant unkindly!

[JaneJones]

@Stella

Does someone have current information (2024/2025) about the requirements the School will have re Health/Vaccination situation of any new pupil.

This is the national vaccination timetable in France, but there is leeway as if one isn’t up to date one can have a few months to get them done. What the OP might find more difficult is extracting the records from the NHS as will need to have something that is the equivalent of a childs’ carnet de santé to show the school

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[Sandcastle]

@iclark95

as I’ll be out of France more than 180 days I’ll have to pay UK tax as the double taxation agreement states (I’ve sought advice on this). I would like to pay French tax

This article was written in the conrext of Brexit but essentially nothhg has changed. As it explains, Salaried income is always taxable in the country where it is earned, regardless of which country the woorker is primarily tax resident in, hence it is entirely possible to have a tax liability in two countries - in the one because it is where you live, and in tve ither because it is where yiy work (the dta ensures you do not pay double tax on the same income). I cannot help but feel that it would smooth the path to residency for your wife if if you were able to be regarded as primarily resident in France and working in the UK. That would mean that you declare worldwide income in France, and in the UK you declare and are taxed solely income that under the dta is taxable in the UK.
The 6 month thing may however be an issue. Will you not come back to France at all during those 6 months? The problem being as has been said that it is hard to see a person coulld qualify for a cds as the spouse of an EU citizen resident in France, if the French public services administration does not regard the EU spouse as being resident (no tax information, no social security number etc).

[billybutcher]

@Sandcastle

The problem being as has been said that it is hard to see a person coulld qualify for a cds as the spouse of an EU citizen resident in France, if the French public services administration does not regard the EU spouse as being resident (no tax information, no social security number etc).

Which is why I think it might be more straightforward to ignore that part of the equation (to be fair @iclark95 hasn’t said what sort of visa he might seek for his wife) and look at an inactif visa instead - as long as the family income is enough to split in two to support wife and family in France (which, in practice, it is going to have to be for the arrangements thus far described to have a chance).

[iclark95]

Hi @Sandcastle I’d be leaving French for 3 weeks and then back for 3 weeks at a time. I have been advised i’d be paying UK tax but still put a tax return into French authorities.

[Stella]

sounds right to me…

France considers it a Declaration of Worldwide Income…

Each year, you declare to France, they work out if you owe them any Tax.
If the answer is Yes… they look at what you’ve already paid and take that into consideration.

But there might be other taxes linked to Social etc… it’s a bit of a minefield

best of luck

[iclark95]

My wife will eventually become a teacher in France she’s a lot cleverer than myself. She just needs to concentrate on looking after our boys for now.

[Stella]

@iclark95

My wife will eventually become a teacher in France s

That’s a nice idea. Does she have any qualifications which might be transferable or will she study for qualifications here in France?

[iclark95]

Hello Chris, Yes that’ll be probably the case but some of the assumptions i.e. Using EU status to plonk my family in France while I tax dodge in the UK you can’t take that wrong way . Doesn’t matter how you say it. I’m a citizen of Ireland and an EU citizen too.

[iclark95]

Yes, she was a lecturer in the college where we live and she’s got a degree in Microbiology.

[David_M_Matthews]

That doesn’t actually answer the question. Having qualifications is one thing but having them accepted in another country is another.

[ChrisMann]

@iclark95

while I tax dodge in the UK

I have to say I didn’t read it that way - I think the intention was to point out that it’s easier to get your family settled in France if it’s very clear to the authorities that you are fully resident.

But oh for the days pre-Brexit when it was all (somewhat) simpler!

[iclark95]

Hi Chris, Yes i’ll be a resident and living full time in France while I’m not working. I wouldn’t care I work for a Spanish company in the UK

[Stella]

@iclark95

I wouldn’t care, I work for a Spanish company in the UK

you’re an international gadabout
An Irishman, hoping to live in France, working in UK for a Spanish company

of course, I’m only teasing…

what Chris meant was that it would be so much easier for your Wife if Brexit hadn’t turned her into a third-worlder.

[Sandcastle]

Sounds right. I don’t see a problem in that case.
One thing I am not sure about is whether the UK will still issue an S1 to cover you and the missus’ healthcare in France via your NICs. If they do that will simplify your route to healthcare.

[JaneJones]

@iclark95

My wife will eventually become a teacher in France she’s a lot cleverer than myself. She just needs to concentrate on looking after our boys for now.

I really don’t want to be negative, but that also may not be a simple transfer. Did you research what is required to teach in French schools? Posts in private schools are open to foreigners, and some short term contract work, but in general one has to have the right qualifications. And as you know British qualifications are no longer valid. @toryroo who is an Australian nurse now works as a teacher so perhaps she will pop in and tell you how she managed but I recall it wasn’t totally straightforward.

Perhaps while looking after the kids she could study for the exam (concors) that aimed at people changing careers and is experience based?

Comment devenir professeur des écoles ?

Après le baccalauréat, les étudiants qui se destinent au métier de professeur des écoles peuvent suivre un parcours en alternance dès la première année de licence avec différents dispositifs dont le parcours préparatoire au professorat des écoles (PPPE). Tout en obtenant un diplôme national de licence, les étudiants bénéficient d’un enseignement spécifique de renforcement disciplinaire afin de mieux appréhender le professorat des écoles.

Après une licence, il est conseillé de suivre la formation du master MEEF mention 1er degré, spécialisée dans les métiers de l’enseignement. Cette formation intègre dans ses enseignements orientés vers la pratique du métier une préparation au concours de recrutement de professeur des écoles qui est organisé en fin de seconde année de master.

Pour devenir enseignant à l’école primaire (école maternelle et école élémentaire), il faut avoir réussi un concours de recrutement de professeurs des écoles (CRPE). Il s’agit de concours académiques, ce qui signifie qu’en cas de réussite au concours, vous serez nommé professeur-stagiaire et affecté dans un département de l’académie dans laquelle vous étiez inscrit.

Il existe plusieurs voies de concours :

• le concours externe est ouvert aux étudiants en deuxième année de master mais également aux titulaires de masters, y compris disciplinaires, ou de diplômes équivalents,
• le troisième concours s’adresse aux personnes en reconversion professionnelle qui justifient de 5 années d’expérience professionnelle effectuées dans le cadre d’un ou plusieurs contrats de droit privé, sans diplôme spécifique,
• les concours internes concernent les fonctionnaires et/ou certains agents non titulaires qui ont accompli une durée déterminée de services publics ou d’enseignement et qui détiennent le diplôme requis.

[Sandcastle]

Blimey give them chance to get settled first before they start looking into all that! It is not inconceivable although the odds are against it that Starmer will negotiate something on qualifications over the next few years.

[Porridge]

@David_M_Matthews

Having qualifications is one thing but having them accepted in another country is another.

@Sandcastle

Blimey give them chance to get settled first before they start looking into all that!

I completely disagree.

Whatever OP’s plans are, and especially if any part requires qualifications, then it’s better to do the research, and find the flaws and problems (which there will be) and work out how to deal with them, now.