Getting things back on topic again I have a question. Reports in online press state that inter regional travel is forbidden for (almost) any reason. This seems to be based upon Macrons press conference. Government sites say inter departmental travel is forbidden. Which is it ? Reason is I will have to pick up a very expensive, fragile item ordered 9 weeks ago in about 10 days from the next department (same region) . Should have got it early this week but it was coming from China in a container ⊠you can gues what happened !
The attestation has a category for âretraits de commandesâso if you have some documentation showing thatâs what you are doing then it seems to fit ok?
Déplacements au sein du département de résidence
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Déplacements pour effectuer des achats de premiÚre nécessité ou des retraits de commandes
And hairdressers are deemed essential, which is great as we have an appointment for next Thursday.
There is a street in Cluny called Quatrieme Battaillon du Choc., which was formed from the Free French forces and the Resistance which came down from the hills after the D Day landings and the Germans started to retreat back eastwards.
Pride is one of the seven deadly sins and I think that there should be an eighth, poor judgement.
Yes, within department would always be OK, but I need to pickup from another department that is within the region I live in, hence the need to know which reports are correct.
Iâve just checked the new rules on www.service-public.fr for 3 regions taken at random (Nouvelle-Aquitaine. Normandie and Bretagne) and for âMotifs de sortieâ (between 6am and 7pm) it says that for âAchat de produits de premiĂšre nĂ©cessitĂ© ou retrait de commandeâ (so, your case), itâs OK to travel to another department âwithin a radius of 30 kmsâ.
[Achat de produits de premiÚre nécessité ou retrait de commande
MĂȘme dĂ©partement ou dans un rayon de 30 km Ă lâextĂ©rieur du dĂ©partement](Couvre-feu et confinement : quelles sont les rĂšgles ? | Service-Public.fr)
But do recheck that site tomorrow when the national lockdown kicks in just to make doubly sure whatâs on the site today is still valid from tomorrow.
Thatâs very clever! How did that happenâŠ?
The Minister was quoted in France Bleu as follows: " âPour les personnes rĂ©sidant aux frontiĂšres des dĂ©partements concernĂ©s, il est admis que ces autorisations valent aussi dans un rayon de 30 km autour de leur lieu de rĂ©sidence.â
That suggests that the 30km limit is from your house, not the border.
Lockdown VERY âliteâ.
Just driven back from town (weekend shopping before the rush) and saw that a local park has opened up a new petanque court - huddle of about a dozen people chatting at one end, not a mask among them.
Group of cyclists out for the afternoon, going at speed up a hill, bunched together, one behind the other - breathing heavily over each other, not a mask among them.
As a competitive cycliste Iâm out most days, impossible to wear a masque while training even in a group
Because delay=death! The infection rate in FR and in UK are a universe apart. Reuters reports UK at 7% weekly infections as against the all-time peak weekly figure. FR is at 71%.
And that ratio will widen - the FR graph is up, the UK down - as the take-up in UK has the desired effect of reducing transmission.
It seems undeniable that the way out of this is for so many people to be vaccinated that the transmission peters out thuâ lack of âcandidatesâ.
The Black Death eventually disappeared because it had killed enough people to achieve the same effect.
There are âcompeting prioritiesâ . But one priority is paramount, to the degree that it cannot reasonably be put in âcompetionâ with any others - to control and prevent the spread of the virus, to prevent infections and fatalities. The vaccination of the population is as important in this respect as physical isolation.
Daylight comes second.
When you say âgroupâ how many of you are there Andrew when you go out for a ride?
Thanks @Fred1. I looked at that last night. Itâs confusing, because for my region (Occitanie), âAchat de produits de premiĂšre nĂ©cessitĂ© ou retrait de commandeâ isnât even mentioned in the regulations. The post by Brian however seems to make it clearer. I wonât be able to pick up my order
I train alone most of the time as I havenât got the time (between work and kids)/canât coincide training with mates. Last Sunday there were 10 of us, sometimes 12, sometimes just 3 or 4. Another local club rides in far bigger groups.
Arguments accepted, Christopher, but if the vaccines arenât available in large enough numbers then weâll just have to wait. Things are improving but itâll take ages to get anywhere near the UK, they had a head start and kept the vaccines for themselves (which I quite understand and would have done the same in national interest!) The view point Iâve given is from the man in the street, M. Tout le monde who isnât too fussed about it all judging by the vast majority of people I talk to. I ride with two infirmiers, theyâve both been vaccinated this week, but even they werenât too hot about it. It seems to be more a reluctant acceptance of it being the best thing to do which from what I understand isnât at all the case in the UK where people are actively trying to get vaccinated.
Iâve just got back from OHs MT rendezvous, heâs on holiday next week but will give us both the AZ vaccine the week after. Apparently thereâs no shortage now and uptake is good
The new attestations wonât be out until the new measures come into force
First âlockdownâ for us - agree not really a lockdown. Question? - how âexactâ is 10Km enforced⊠the beach is exactly 12km as the crow flies from the residence, but about 9km from the edge of each town to the other. I suppose we could drive to the edge of the beach town - 10km - but then walking further onwards would obviously be outside the law even if not the spirit. Or cycle there!
Could go shopping in the supermarkets, but that wouldnât wash if hauled up on the sand when showing the attestationâŠ
Could one expect inspections on the beach or when walking around? - Iâd presume the gendarmerie would have an app to calculate the distance rather than say âthat seems local enoughâ?
Question asked not so much as wanting to break the rules but more around the spirit of having the 10km allowance - to get out in the fresh air and get a bit of exercise. And I imagine the beach by the sea will be a lot less crowded than the beach by the laketown which is well and truly within 10Km.
This question must also be being asked by the road warrior cyclists though, what if one strays outside of the 10K bubble? Iâd imagine the cycle paths might be less policed lolâŠ
Any thoughts (at the risk of being hung, drawn and quartered - is there a smiley for that?)