New Lockdown

Getting things back on topic again :slightly_smiling_face: I have a question. Reports in online press state that inter regional travel is forbidden for (almost) any reason. This seems to be based upon Macrons press conference. Government sites say inter departmental travel is forbidden. Which is it ? Reason is I will have to pick up a very expensive, fragile item ordered 9 weeks ago in about 10 days from the next department (same region) . Should have got it early this week but it was coming from China in a container 
 you can gues what happened !

The attestation has a category for “retraits de commandes”so if you have some documentation showing that’s what you are doing then it seems to fit ok?

Déplacements au sein du département de résidence
2. Achats
Déplacements pour effectuer des achats de premiÚre nécessité ou des retraits de commandes

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And hairdressers are deemed essential, which is great as we have an appointment for next Thursday.

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There is a street in Cluny called Quatrieme Battaillon du Choc., which was formed from the Free French forces and the Resistance which came down from the hills after the D Day landings and the Germans started to retreat back eastwards.

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Pride is one of the seven deadly sins and I think that there should be an eighth, poor judgement.

Yes, within department would always be OK, but I need to pickup from another department that is within the region I live in, hence the need to know which reports are correct.

I’ve just checked the new rules on www.service-public.fr for 3 regions taken at random (Nouvelle-Aquitaine. Normandie and Bretagne) and for “Motifs de sortie” (between 6am and 7pm) it says that for “Achat de produits de premiĂšre nĂ©cessitĂ© ou retrait de commande” (so, your case), it’s OK to travel to another department “within a radius of 30 kms”.

[Achat de produits de premiÚre nécessité ou retrait de commande

MĂȘme dĂ©partement ou dans un rayon de 30 km Ă  l’extĂ©rieur du dĂ©partement](Couvre-feu et confinement : quelles sont les rĂšgles ? | Service-Public.fr)

But do recheck that site tomorrow when the national lockdown kicks in just to make doubly sure what’s on the site today is still valid from tomorrow.

That’s very clever! How did that happen
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The Minister was quoted in France Bleu as follows: " “Pour les personnes rĂ©sidant aux frontiĂšres des dĂ©partements concernĂ©s, il est admis que ces autorisations valent aussi dans un rayon de 30 km autour de leur lieu de rĂ©sidence.”

That suggests that the 30km limit is from your house, not the border.

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Lockdown VERY “lite”.

Just driven back from town (weekend shopping before the rush) and saw that a local park has opened up a new petanque court - huddle of about a dozen people chatting at one end, not a mask among them.

Group of cyclists out for the afternoon, going at speed up a hill, bunched together, one behind the other - breathing heavily over each other, not a mask among them.

As a competitive cycliste I’m out most days, impossible to wear a masque while training even in a group :wink:

Because delay=death! The infection rate in FR and in UK are a universe apart. Reuters reports UK at 7% weekly infections as against the all-time peak weekly figure. FR is at 71%.

And that ratio will widen - the FR graph is up, the UK down - as the take-up in UK has the desired effect of reducing transmission.

It seems undeniable that the way out of this is for so many people to be vaccinated that the transmission peters out thu’ lack of ‘candidates’.

The Black Death eventually disappeared because it had killed enough people to achieve the same effect.

There are ‘competing priorities’ . But one priority is paramount, to the degree that it cannot reasonably be put in ‘competion’ with any others - to control and prevent the spread of the virus, to prevent infections and fatalities. The vaccination of the population is as important in this respect as physical isolation.

Daylight comes second.

When you say ‘group’ how many of you are there Andrew when you go out for a ride?

Thanks @Fred1. I looked at that last night. It’s confusing, because for my region (Occitanie), “Achat de produits de premiĂšre nĂ©cessitĂ© ou retrait de commande” isn’t even mentioned in the regulations. The post by Brian however seems to make it clearer. I won’t be able to pick up my order :sob: :scream: :cry: :confounded:

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I train alone most of the time as I haven’t got the time (between work and kids)/can’t coincide training with mates. Last Sunday there were 10 of us, sometimes 12, sometimes just 3 or 4. Another local club rides in far bigger groups.

Arguments accepted, Christopher, but if the vaccines aren’t available in large enough numbers then we’ll just have to wait. Things are improving but it’ll take ages to get anywhere near the UK, they had a head start and kept the vaccines for themselves (which I quite understand and would have done the same in national interest!) The view point I’ve given is from the man in the street, M. Tout le monde who isn’t too fussed about it all judging by the vast majority of people I talk to. I ride with two infirmiers, they’ve both been vaccinated this week, but even they weren’t too hot about it. It seems to be more a reluctant acceptance of it being the best thing to do which from what I understand isn’t at all the case in the UK where people are actively trying to get vaccinated.

I’ve just got back from OHs MT rendezvous, he’s on holiday next week but will give us both the AZ vaccine the week after. Apparently there’s no shortage now and uptake is good

The new attestations won’t be out until the new measures come into force :wink:

First ‘lockdown’ for us - agree not really a lockdown. Question? - how ‘exact’ is 10Km enforced
 the beach is exactly 12km as the crow flies from the residence, but about 9km from the edge of each town to the other. I suppose we could drive to the edge of the beach town - 10km - but then walking further onwards would obviously be outside the law even if not the spirit. Or cycle there!

Could go shopping in the supermarkets, but that wouldn’t wash if hauled up on the sand when showing the attestation


Could one expect inspections on the beach or when walking around? - I’d presume the gendarmerie would have an app to calculate the distance rather than say ‘that seems local enough’?

Question asked not so much as wanting to break the rules but more around the spirit of having the 10km allowance - to get out in the fresh air and get a bit of exercise. And I imagine the beach by the sea will be a lot less crowded than the beach by the laketown which is well and truly within 10Km.

This question must also be being asked by the road warrior cyclists though, what if one strays outside of the 10K bubble? I’d imagine the cycle paths might be less policed lol


Any thoughts (at the risk of being hung, drawn and quartered - is there a smiley for that?)