In the case of Davis copious amounts of both.
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The French think they are special too, so do the Italians, the Germans, the Swiss (because they have all the dodgy money) so a pretty level playing field, that just leaves ignorance, because love island is better than watching a serious debate about your countries future.
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The passport queues say something quite different. Itâs amazing how many say this isnât a real Brexit when there is absolutely no doubt that we have left and itâs typically just an excuse as to why itâs an absolute failure by any objective measure.
I missed this one.
Based on what, FFS?
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No ordinary bloke would wear that comedy hat and array of ugly shirts when trying to communicate with the general public. I donât want to cast aspersions but the comedy hat, ugly shirt, psychopath correlation is perhaps a lot tighter than we think. 
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Remove the shades Billy. 
Based on the fact that for most UK residents, freedom of movement was removed , the borders arent secure, Trade goes on, over 4000 laws, rules and regulations still in force to name some of the things that wasnt mentioned in the run up. Surely as a staunch remainer you see this as well,
The bartering commision tasked with dealing with the Brexit arrangements were the right bunch of crooks and scallywags in their own countries to counter Davis, May and consorten who just really werânt up to it. But then none of them are.
Well I find it a bit of light entertainment and its free!
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Thatâs Brexit working.
The refugee issue is not related to Brexit, though arguably made worse by it since weâve left the agreements that allowed us to return asylum seekers that donât qualify. Otherwise, the borders are more difficult to cross than ever.
When was Brexit ever about stopping trade?
During the run up, it was never suggested that every EU-based law would be removed, that only came in the last couple of years when the real cases got their hands on some power. And, of course many, if not most, are necessary
No idea what this means.
And yet, these are the ones that leavers followed over the cliff and continually voted in to deal with it.
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Michel Barnier is neither a crook nor a scallywag.
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Ah, youâre better than me at deciphering
@roccam - Wednesdays are always busy so I donât have time for a full answer until later - but I think @JohnH has it covered.
Thereâs no definition of âBrexitâ. The debate on whether Brexit was done or not is ridicules because nobody knows or can agree of what it was, is or should be. No vision, no nothing. Many of the idiots that voted for it thought there would be no change to the privileges they had as EU citizens (Johnsonâs cake and eat it) and some thought it would be a springboard back to Empire. The one thing that is certain is that they are all stuffed now.
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Exactly, this is what i was trying to get across but unfortunately failed to do so. Too many lies and suppositions were about. And as I said Brexit (as the voters understood) was never done.
No need to bother. John H has a few points but doesnt have it covered. JohnScully has the best answer. Lets agree to disagree.
Not a chance of that unfortunately. The harm these people have done to the UK is way beyond agreeing to disagree. Itâs probably not healthy but I personally find it difficult to forgive and will never forget.
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@JohnH I have lived outside of the UK for over 50 years now in what was then the EEA. I have never voted in the UK and with the shower on offer presently, probably wouldnt do so anyway. I sit on the fence with this one and chuckle when I see the remainers/leavers at loggerheads with each other. So that is why I say agree to disagree on here. If you have difficulty to forgive and forget, well that is your problem to deal with as you see best.
Thatâs because the Leave campaign promised the impossible and sold it with untruths.
In the strict sense of what was on the ballot paper - âLeave the EUâ that is exactly what happened, job done, mandate discharged.
What is true, and perhaps what you mean, is that there was never an agreed plan for how to implement Brexit, nor any recognition that the referendum was won on the narrowest of margins.
And, yes, too many people believed the âno downside, only upsideâ message without engaging their brains.
The damage that was done, especially the current version of the Tory party in power which is incompetant, xenophobic, corrupt and has swung so far to the right that the National Front starts to looks socialist has damaged the UK almost irreparably.
Agree.
Maybe you can given that, as you say, you have not lived in the UK in 50 years. Some of us are not that lucky.
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the way I saw it was there never was a plan and still isnt to this day
Actually, and this only from what I have gleaned from the MSM, is that the âconservativesâ have gone so far left that they have become so liberal and socialist to boot.
Then youâre really not paying attention. Many of the current policies have been lifted from NF posters of old.
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Which, assuming that you are being serious, might give you a clue as to where the popular media in the UK are currently positioned on the left-right axis (which is somewhere to the right of Jean Marie Le-Pen).
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