Possible downgrade of non-EU CdS post Brexit

Thank goodness for that

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They won’t make a fuss if someone applies after expiry… but they will be within their rights to make a charge… 180€ according to the French Govt site…

Thus there is no need for anyone to panic, but to avoid paying the late-application fee … apply to renew within the suggested timescale… 2 months in advance…

(I can’t recall any official French Govt site which actually says “wait until it expires” for the CdS/TdS… but I did see some asking folk to wait until nearer the expiry time before they ask to renew (get the next CdSWA)… which makes sense, to reduce the burden on staff and also avoid the waste of money which was spent on providing the CdSWA card in the first place.)

Pour encourager les autres :slightly_smiling_face:

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Good news doesn’t sell papers.

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It’s a great pity The Connexion didn’t mention which country “the couple” were citizens of… since their report is causing unnecessary alarm to Brits who hold CdSWA…

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Well, what do you expect from the Connexion?

I suppose the point is that official confirmation is need of the 5 years “legal” residence. A person who has been here for 5 years but not “regulièrement”, may not have permanent rights. So I do think that it is all a bit of a compromise.

Also it appears in The Connexion :woozy_face:

I am sure the Connexion will be full of bleeding heart stories of those who obtained CdSWA illegally … all bleating about how they didn’t really understand the forms and that they had to be resident and doing tax returns :crazy_face:

This may be now all but impossible. France graciously provided British residents in France a relatively easy way to regularise themselves. It may not yet be 100% confirmed that WA CdS holders will automatically be issued 10 year cards but it does seem likely. Post Brexit non-EU residency cards, as in the case of the Connexion article couple, may be subject to more stringent checks.

Another thing frequently mentioned (perhaps in other threads) is the issue of British folk having ‘had’ to return to UK for healthcare.

Before Brexit, there were British residents in France managing on their EHIC cards for health emergencies. However, in the unfortunate event of a more serious ailment, such as stroke, requiring longer term care, French health system would not cover long term care on EHIC and a British national would have needed to return to UK, unless they already held private healthcare, which also has limits.

Without being a declared, tax paying, resident of France it was, and is not possible to sign up for France healthcare. This may be why ‘many’ British residents needed to sell up and return to UK.

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of course, as these folk weren’t Brits… Brexit had no effect on them or their situation in France… :wink:
and I can’t see that The Rules have changed for Non-EU folk…
From what I have read, if as a Non-EU, you offer a financial-package to support your Application to stay in France … and the F-P doesn’t come up to the mark… you’ve not fulfilled “your part of the bargain”. France has offered them a 1-year card, during which time they can reconsider their finances etc… and possibly keep renewing 1-year until they get themselves back on track.
Hopefully this will end happily.

None of this applies to Brits with CdSWA …

Clearly nothing is certain and it’s best for all to err on the side of caution but yes, it would be very unlikely for anything else, no matter how much some want to take a stricter more pessimistic line. Between the administration and the public relations it could be an extraordinary headache at a time when life still could be rather precarious between wars, finances etc. It’s wrong to use a ‘British head’ for a french issue but as Jane has said they’re currently dealing with Ukrainians, who knows what could be happening in the world then so it makes little sense, even in a country that likes needless bureaucracy as much as France, to make life any more difficult, not so much for the Joe and Josephine Publics but for ‘the system’ who will have 100k or whatever it may be 5 year cards to exchange to 10 year cards within a year on top of their normal workload. They scaled up once to handle the initial applications but whether they will want to or be able to again is unknown. But we shall see when the time comes!

Of course if you could just automate the whole thing with algorithms, get Chat GPT on the case, maybe a very detailed application is possible :sweat_smile::rofl:

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I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. Presentation of adequate financial support is necessary when applying for a non-EU person’s France resident card.

You are also right about the non-EU applicant rules having nothing to do with Brexit, and those rules not having changed.

However, a British person applying since Brexit for residency will be subject to those rules and apply to obtain a non-EU national’s France residency card, not the magical WA CdS exclusively issued for pre-Brexit Brits.

It is best that all British persons seeking ti become French residents now realise that their financial position will need to be maintained.

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Waving as someone who is signed up for French health care and doesn’t pay taxes in France.

Bravo!

Doesn’t pay taxes, or isn’t a fiscal resident so no obligation to submit a tax return?

I can’t put my finger on it now, but the transfer for 5 to 10 year WARP could be subject to same requirement. It is highly likely that they won’ bother and just require something as simple as an electricity bill to show you are still here. However the WA does I believe maintain the same requirement to be a legal resident for the first 5 years - ie tax, healthcare and adequate income.

I guess if in the next year or two they find nests of non-taxpaying Non-resident WARP card holders the administration might think it was worth checking a bit more.

But nobody knows yet. I just wouldn’t assume it will be plain sailing for those who are not in order.

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But you need to do so if you want to stay >90 days on a “tourist” visa - which does not necessarily mean you want o move permanently/become tax resident (though the 12 month visa might be a prelude to a permanent move).

This. Though feel free to ignore me whilst having one of these xkcd moments.

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How long a gap has there to be between one tourist visa and another?