Roe v Wade

It’s all going to be thrashed out on The Moral Maze this evening apparently, BBC Radio 4, but I probably won’t be listening, unless I remember.

Obv not, mere speculation but at least I’m showing my working.

Just seen this from Humanists UK:

This week the UK Government quietly removed ‘sexual and reproductive health and rights’ and ‘bodily autonomy’ from an international statement it organised to show solidarity among nations on human rights. This is deeply troubling…

The statement was first issued by the UK Government as part of an international conference on freedom of religion or belief in London earlier this month. A total of 22 countries signed it before abortion rights were removed. It now has only six signatories, including the UK, and Malta – which has an absolute ban on abortion in all circumstances , including rape, incest, and fatal foetal abnormalities.

The entire point of the international conference was to promote freedom of religion or belief for all . Freedom of religion or belief does not mean using religious beliefs to infringe upon the human rights of others. The fact that these rights were removed from an international statement, organised by the UK Government, on freedom of religion or belief, only serves to further this dangerous narrative.

The recent demise of Roe Vs Wade in the United States has demonstrated just how easily rights can be stripped away and how powerful religious groups can misappropriate freedom of religion or belief to their own pernicious ends. We’re calling on the UK Government to reverse the statement, and clarify that religion does not trump women’s basic human rights.

For once, GC, I agree with you.

This is totally appalling and I have noticed that women are having to stand up more and more to be listened to and their rights acknowledged and this is worldwide.
Why Britain should join in this appalling process I have no idea, but watch out women in UK, this could be the first step.
This step also totally clashes with the government’s stated intention to improve womens’ health.
I have asked my MP to investigate this.

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I suppose the obvious “reason” for making an amendment is that not everyone accepts the belief that a civilised society presupposes an unfettered right to abortion. Better to get broad agreement, even at the cost of omitting the Atheistic/Humanistic shibboleth of abortion on demand?

Unless you think there’s another reason?

Yup, make everyone have a baby and then make everyone stick them on the nearest hillside for a couple of days, God will recognise his own and save them, the unwanted ones can lump it. SO much better. Or perhaps just reread a modest proposal for more ideas.

What it must be like for young girls and women now that they can be branded criminals for having an abortion, across much of America…horror stories! What a mess!

The extract below is from

A Nebraska detective was investigating “concerns that a juvenile female… had given birth prematurely supposedly to a stillborn child.”

He apparently did not believe that the child was stillborn, though an autopsy (after exhuming the body seemingly without reason) was consistent with the story, showing that the foetus had never had air in its lungs. But because it was in a plastic bag, he asked Meta to provide all the girl’s Facebook messages, photos and other data for “statements that might indicate whether the baby was stillborn or asphyxiated.”

This information was duly provided, and messages appear to show the girl discussing taking an abortifacient medication. Based on this information, police raided the family’s home, seizing six smartphones and seven laptops, with data like internet history and emails totalling 24 gigabytes. Among this trove the investigators hope to find the evidence of a teenager ordering abortion pills.

Now the 17-year-old is being tried as an adult for performing an abortion after week 20 of pregnancy, performing an abortion without a license, concealing a dead body, concealing the death of a person and false reporting.

It must be pointed out that at no point before they received the messages from Facebook was there any evidence of a crime beyond improperly disposing of a miscarried foetus. The detective’s asphyxiation theory, based solely on the presence of a plastic bag, was incompatible with the autopsy evidence, which supported the girl’s account. Generally speaking, it seems cruel and unusual to conduct a multi-day investigation into a miscarriage and panicked disposal of remains.

Facebook gave police their private data. Now, this duo face abortion charges | US news | The Guardian

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