Small hybrid for a runaround?

For me, yes. I prefer the extra space compared to a Zöe.

However, my wife claims that it’s too big & claims not to be able to judge the size, but as it’s covered in parking sensors & cameras that argument doesn’t hold water.

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Yes it does. Perception is in the mind of the individual. Our larger car is equally covered in cameras and sensors and I find it very unpleasant as a driving experience so won’t drive it. My little Id3 suits just fine.

Listen to your wife.

Plenty of drivers in SE London dont know the size of their vehicles and think the world should pull over to let them through so a common issue.

I bought a Fiat Panda (pandina version) last week, it is a very sweet nice little car and sounds like what you need. I particularly like that I could prob park it in the boot of my last car :rofl: mine is black with yellow ears.

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Very true. It certainly helps that I have a background which includes driving large vehicles & plant, which many people do not. Given a choice I’d always go for a van or higher driving position - I feel less safe in a low vehicle & how people can enjoy long distances in sports cars with their eye level a metre or so from the road surface is beyond me.

I do, but that doesn’t help…

Do you still have to rent the battery on those? I looked at them about 5 years ago for my mother - it would have been perfect for her as she only ever did short journeys - but Renault UK wanted £70 a month to rent the battery which made it uneconomic.

She ended up with a VW Polo. :frowning:

No, but I think it’s still an option if you want to.

In France you had the choice. I’m not sure that renting was always an option, it might well have been dropped at some point.

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The Zoé no longer exists. It has been replaced by the Renault 5.


is no more. The Renault 5 has replaced it.

Indeed so, but there’s still the used car market.

Not back in 2017/18. There was a weird situation where you could buy a Zöe outright in the UK but had to rent the battery if you bought in France. The same thing applied to the E-Kangoo.

In latter years they allowed both options in the French market.

I’m sorry but an option is something that I associate with a new car. You seem to enjoy trying to find faults in my posts. You implied that the Zoé is still available and a rented battery might be an option. That is incorrect.

A colleague has had 2 Zoe’s. The first had a winter range of about 50 miles and was, as he put it, the worst built car he’d ever known. He bought a new one about 3 years ago, and although the range was much better, he said build quality was just as bad. Just before Christmas they exchanged it for an Enyaq, and I understand that is enormously better.

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If they are still out there on the used car market with a battery lease in place then it’s still an option. I’ve just checked that on Le Bon Coin - leased battery versions are still available

Some people might find that information useful, as opposed to assuming that any Zöe they come across would be an outright purchase, especially as the cars with battery leases will be cheaper to buy.

I’m not intending to find fault with your posts - I’m sorry if you think that I am.

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My wife is now driving her second Fiat 500 E. This is her second two year lease so we have approximately 3 years experience,

It is a wonderful car to drive, lots of fun. So fast you have to be careful of speed limits.

The one pedal driving is a joy.

It is used as a Town run around and we/she has never had to use a public charging station. We live in a modern house (22 years old) in Luxembourg and the car is charged just by plugging into a domestic outlet in the garage.

We reccomend strongly the Fiat 500E

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I’ll second that.

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I’ll third it - my Leaf has the same & I rarely switch it off.

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I looked at the 500E and much as I’ve always loved small FIATs, it was just a bit too small for our “town car” needs, so we opted for a Renault 5. I picked it up on the 10th of December and have driven it exclusively since, including a courageous, as it turned out, 1,200km run to Cherbourg, so I’ve got to know her pretty well.

On a long drive the 52kWh battery obviously can’t compare to the 82kWh in our other EV and once we get her home I won’t be taking her on any such long runs again, but overall I’m very impressed. I think Renault have a winner on their hands whereas FIAT are, sadly, struggling with the 500E.

I did take the precaution of leasing the R5, whereas I bought the i4. One EV’s deprecation risk was enough.

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I always use maximum regen and rarely use the brakes. Though even in ICE cars I tried to anticipate and do likewise.

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I only switch it off when going through a car wash.

As I only use manual car washes I think you might need to explain that.