Yes it’s a little devil that small bit of LEZ as you go through Rouen on the autoroute… that’s mainly why I got my sticker as it’s the only LEZ zone I am likely to navigate on the way down from Dieppe.
Though it seems it’s only being enforced by police until 2024, so you would probably have got away with it!
After that apparently it’s caméras intelligentes aka Terminators…
I looked it up and saw that but chickened out. I couldn’t really afford the trip I was on so preferred to avoid a fine of 68€ on top rather than the gas and tolls on the Honfleur loop.
So the highway robbers at TFL have been using underhand methods to get their grubby little hands on your personal info if you live in Europe.Just as i thought,they have been paying agencies in the EU to get the info they want,what a surprise.Parking enforcement,ULEZ zones,wheel clampers,they are all one of the same,just after easy money,nothing else.I was reading that London boroughs raked in over 4 billion last year in car related fines, outrageous.
How do they do that? It makes no sense Just because the autoroute may run through the centre of a city it could only be if you exited the autoroute in the city that Crit’air rules could apply. What about trucks etc. just traveling on through? Are they to exit the autoroute before the crit’air zone, drive on backroads around the zone spewing out pollution and then rejoin the autoroute?
I has this discussion with a friend recently because Google maps was warning he’d encounter a restricted zone on an autoroute skirting Toulouse. How the hell could that work?
Unlike the daily charge for the TfL the crit air sticker only costs about €4 once and stays with the car. And is good for all of France.
Have not been to London for years but remember the advance warning signs for the TfL on all motorways going towards London
And the detours we did trying to get across witjout paying congrstion charges.
If you look at the official map it’s fairly clear that both the main north-south routes transiting Rouen (A28/D928/N338 and A150/N1338/N338) go bang through the LEZ.
There’s nothing on that page that mentions any exemptions for through traffic (unless I missed it!).
So it seems you need a Crit’Air sticker or risk a fine, if you pass through Rouen.
As mentioned previously, it’s not being enforced by cameras yet, so presumably the cops aren’t currently checking stickers on autoroute traffic. But once automated cameras come in, it will probably be like London’s ULEZ zone - travel through in a non-compliant vehicle and you will get a penalty notice by post.
At €4 it seems to me to be a no-brainer to get a Crit-Air sticker. Granted, if you drive an Old Smokey then you have a problem.
Sure, I’ve had them on my cars since they came out and (as a lifelong asthmatic due to London smog as a kid) I agree totally with pollution control. But it can’t work for vehicles transiting on autoroutes through cities. Hitting an off ramp in the city sure, but just trucking through no.
Entering cities or high pollution areas fine, but making vehicles leave autoroutes would be madness unless alternative less polluting routes were available.
Well I haven’t driven in London in years too but I’d guess if you hit the M25 and then stay on it around London you’re outside the emissions zones? That seem fair enough to me. But if I’m on a autoroute that runs through a city without any autoroute “Périphérique” or even with one and I’m paying tolls by kilometre then no way.
Agree with you about the need for pollution control - I too am slightly asthmatic. But also agree that it’s not always easy to balance with our travel needs!
Currently the London ULEZ zone is just Central London - Sadiq Khan plans to extend it to all London boroughs but no it would not include the M25.
Rouen seems to be a special case - you are not actually on the autoroute when you travel through Rouen (the A28 turns into the N28 as it goes through the city, and the A150 becomes the N1338 and N338) - so no tolls for that part of the trip (the A150 is not a toll road anyway).
I am of course not a pollution expert or a Rouen city official, so I can’t say for sure what the reasoning is, but my guess would be that it’s because of the problem of crossing the Seine - traffic is forced through Rouen.
Ignoring small bridges on D-roads, to get across the Seine on an A or N road you either go through Rouen, or take a big detour down the A29 to the Pont du Normandie at Honfleur, or else go upstream to Paris (which of course has its own issues!)
What’s really needed is a mega-bypass for Rouen that would take the A28 around the eastern outskirts of Rouen to join the A13, or on the west to meet the A28. But the geography on the eastern side of the Seine is quite hilly, while on the western side you have the Parc Régionale des Boucles de La Seine.
So I imagine that in the absence of an easy bypass option (and the big funding that would be needed) they opted to just include the main routes through Rouen in the LEZ to somewhat mitigate the pollution.
Last time I used that route there was a fair amount of sitting in slow traffic down the N1338, and there are roundabouts to negotiate as well. So I can see why Rouen wants to put some limits on air pollution, and no you are not paying road tolls at that point.
Tolls have nothing to do with clean air. If you are forced to drive through Rouen then why get agitated over 4E. Get the crit air sticker and forget.
It is a fact of our life with climate change that more and more places are trying to force us consumers to make choices. Milan did it in the 90’s by only allowing alternate number plates to drive into the city on high pollutions days.
My hometown of Frankfurt introduced the ‘green wave’ traffic light system in the 70’s. If you stuck to the speed limit the traffic lights would be green and you could just cruise along. Going any faster meant you arrived at a red light…
All measures to reduce bad air…
There used to be a few sets like that between Brixton hill and Putney bridge in SE London, although to go through on all greens you needed to be doing about 50mph all the way. I commuted from London to Oxford on a motorcycle for a few months in 1990, and one got to devise time-saving riding methods.
The costs of linking the A28 and A13 (some 41kms of new road needed) are estimated at around a billion €, 14 hectares of forest would be destroyed, some 500 hectares of concreted structures would be required, (viaducts etc) a péage would also need to be installed (4-5€ per trip) etc. Local protestors, angered by the pollution likely to arise and damage to the environment, have launched an energetic campaign of measures to physically prevent the forest trees being cut down, by inserting nails in the trees, to intentionally damage the chainsaws of the forestry contractors, also creating substantial piles of huge logs to hold off diggers etc etc. This show will run and run!
Thanks for all the info on that George - it would seem logical to have a big bypass, but as I suspected it’s hugely expensive and a bit of an eco-disaster in itself… No wonder they are doing the LEZ restrictions on the existing roads.
TFL imposing fines on foreign cars that are not registered with themselves is extortion.
If TFL or their agents are able to obtain details of foreign vehicle registrations, then they must also be aware of the vehicles’ make / model. At this point they must also be aware whether the vehicle complies with the emission requirements.
Forgive my ignorance, but doesn’t that cause more pollution by forcing vehicles to stop/start?
For the same reason I am against other such methods such as speed bumps, chicanes and multiple limit changes. I do admit that the latter may not be pollution control but financial enhancement.