That political discussion with occasional humour thread

I miss Viz.

It’s a sad state of affairs that just about any of the main characters could do a better job of running the UK than Starmer.

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We’ve had the Viz crowd running the country for 14 years from 2010 to 2024. I’ll take Starmer even with his gaffs and U-turns.

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It’s amazing, isn’t it. It’s almost like people have already forgotten what came before.

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I think more likely expected (a) much better and (b) the change that was promised.

Won’t get fooled again - now that would be a good song for Reform to use.

I think SKS has until May to show he’s changed. I also think - because he is not a career politician - that he is Labour’s best chance to change things. But he needs to grow a pair - several pairs - and face down the apparatchiks.

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a) takes time. Sadly the public has the attention span of a gnat these days.

b) see a) change also takes time and people have no patience.

It is regrettable and worrying that Starmer has made so many entry level gaffs, it bothers me that Labour do not seem to understand that they will be under more scrutiny after such a disastrous period of Tory rule and the overall RW bias of our mainstream press but the idea that they are worse than the last lot is laughable.

I don’t agree it takes time to make it clear that you’re @Corona ‘s new broom.

The first thing he should have done, at the first scandal (was that Reeves’s concert tickets, or his specs?) was to have issued a bollocking and publicised that.

Instead, he followed McSweeney’s advice and tried to brazen it out.

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That’s the fundamental problem that even comedy takes fun of, the little Britain sketches being just one, yet the MP’s seem oblivious to their own crass stupidity

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Difficult to argue with some of that.

Johnathan Pie, ie Tom Walker is in a channel 4 documentary film drama, believe it’s in March on the water companies in the UK and their quite unbelievable sewage dumping whilst profiteering share holders. Hopefully as much impact as their Post office scandal documentary film drama which shifted public opinion. To date the toothless regulator (read lunch club) has done bugger all. They are likely to get increased power to carry on doing bugger all soon. Personally I am backing Clive Lewis (labour MP) to re nationalise the whole lot.

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Given the shambles the other crowd was in, under promise and over deliver would have been a better Labour strategy than the inverse.

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I’d suggest that get a decent Comms team into to shout from the rooftops about what they actually have delivered would be helpful. Though they’d still struggle for it to be heard in the media.

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Ah, but the Fat Slags never got a real look in, apart from that former Tory Health Sec(!) who wouldn’t have looked out of place doon the Bigg Market of a Friday night (though she might have struggled with the obligatoire white stilletoes).

In a former life, for ten years I lived next door to the ‘world famous’ Trent House (home of Viz)

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I think they are pointing in the right direction, but so far they’ve delivered SFA. Starmer should be far more vigorously embracing an EU rapprochement, far less vigorously kissing Trumps bottom, and his coms team should be vigorously slagging off Farage and the Tory bastards (eg Johnson et al) that created the Brexit disaster.

Vigour, that’s what’s needed.

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A bit harsh John, they have improved on several fronts, waiting lists for hospital visits and no more postcode lottery for cancer patients being ones immediately springing to mind. There are others but anything large hasn’t happened. Unless giving the police powers to arrest people in wheelchairs if they dare express an opinion that genocide in Gaza is wrong.

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Well as the father of a medic, albeit not working in the NHS (yet :thinking:), I think Streeting is a bolox (as was Hunt before him) :face_with_hand_over_mouth: I don’t believe any of the stats. It’s numbers fiddling not progress.

Jesus! I’d forgotten all that shit. Old age :joy:

Removal of the two child benefit cap, improved renters’ rights, improved employment rights, ended the Rwanda nonsense, migration reducing, created Great British Energy, improved the planning process, recognising the Palestinian state, increasing defence spending and rearming and bringing railways back into national control.

Something there for everyone surely?

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Closer ties to the EU has to be done slowly, right now, any faster will play right into the hands of the far right nasty bastards. If Starmer wins the next election then that’s when he really should crack on with it. I hope he does stay as PM, he may not be charismatic but he does seem to be able to speak with other world leaders and have their respect. Makes a nice change from the last mob and he does a good job of dealing with the orange idiot, which can’t be easy.

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I seem to remember a conversation about a reduction in child poverty and a reduction in the use of food banks, both of which only ever went up when the last lot were in. If you’re a struggling family and you’re doing better, then that’s a lot better than SFA. Those of us in a more privileged position probably don’t see that.

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I’m not sure that"marginally better than the last lot, but with the same sort of scandals; sorry we mentioned change" really cuts it, though.