The progress of Hades

We do something similar. We play the game called “find” where we either hide treats in her bed, so she has to dig around to find them, or we chuck a small handful of tiny biscuity treats across the kitchen floor and walk out closing the door behind us. She’s much too busy “finding” to even notice that we have gone.

@David_Spardo another way of keeping him occupied is to fill a kong with something he likes to eat. I’m never entirely convinced because I’m wary of peanut allergies but some dog owners swear by peanut butter stuffed into a kong as a way to keep a dog content.

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Interesting you should say that because I just happen to have 2 unused Kongs that I bought for Shanna, another foster who left us before I could give them to her. I’ll bear it in mind when the time comes. :wink:

@KarenLot Sent the message to the young couple earlier and received a very effusive 2 text reply thanking me so much, offering help if any were needed and saying that today is the happiest birthday she’s ever had. :joy:

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See ! I told you ! They liked you ! And they know that Hades is with the best person.

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Well I paid for all this self congratulation yesterday evening. I might have mentioned that one reason for his having had to move on involved jumping a wall to chase cats. This was a worry for me as there are many around the neighbourhood and I sought some info on the height of the wall with my 1.5 metre fences in mind.

No problem at all, he showed no interest in the outside area apart from sharing Jules’ habit of barking at strangers passing. Then last night, just as I was about to serve up my dinner, Marie-Paule, my nearest and dearest neighbour, rang. ‘David, ton chien est dehors’. I went out and realised that he was near the far corner of the new forest and although I called and whistled he seemed to misunderstand my direction because he couldn’t see me. As if that wasn’t enough, as I started to walk towards where I had spotted him, I was overtaken by Jules, nose to the ground, who had taken advantage of the gate I had left open. As usual when he catches and follows a scent, his ears are blocked and his normally excellent hearing suspended, so he ignored me and I had to chase after him. As I grabbed his collar and led him back through the gate M-P shouted and I turned to see Hades arriving at high speed and, as usual, overshooting his target, me. Of course he immediately recovered and followed my indication to re-enter the garden.

So, first job today is, once this heavy rain has stopped, to walk all around and see where he got out. Pretty sure there isn’t a hole, that fencing around the new area is all brand new, so my worst fears may be confirmed, he climbed, or jumped, but, even his athletic ability would not allow a jump of that sort, would it? :thinking: :unamused_face:

Rain slackened off so we went on the usual walk and after our return, gate locked, treats given and Jules’ line unclipped, I set off (with trusty Hades in attendance) to inspect the new fence line. It seemed rigid enough at the bottom of each bay until we got to the lower line where our new ground adjoins a neighbour’s garden. As with all the others, she has cats and I suspected, especially as I have seen him before staring through at this point, that this if anywhere was where the breech had occurred.

Sure enough, there were 2 points where, although fairly tight, I envisaged this slimline slippery and very agile dog wriggling underneath. I went to fetch a couple of old tyres nearby, in the hope of making a temporary deterrent. As I did so, Hades, who had been standing with me fixated on a large ginger cat in the distance, suddenly turned and ran towards the first place I had identified. I barked ‘NON’, very deep, and he bounced back but I did thank him for confirming my suspicions. :wink:

So, 2 tyres in place and fingers crossed I then retired here to the trusty Amazon. €10.99 will bring a bunch of steel pointed U-pegs to me by Friday. I am hoping they will be rigid enough to drive into the ground but I do realise that much of the ground here is rocky underneath so some drilling might be required as well. :thinking:

While we were there I gave him a couple more minutes of walking ‘a pied’ to add to his rapidly increasing education. :wink: :joy:

Jules seems much slower now, and I don’t think it is the new swifty one showing him up. Also on our way back through the wood, instead of answering my call ‘this way’ he turned in the opposite direction and then stood in apparent puzzlement. I know the feeling, ably described in another thread here about senior moments. :wink: He will be 11 years old a week on Saturday, I do hope he makes it, and beyond, but for the moment he has sensibly commandeered the extra large and comfy bed that Hades brought with him. :rofl: :joy:

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When our pups were much younger and we lived in UK, despite all our best efforts to fence in our 2 acres of garden, we were constantly undermined, literally, by badgers who made escape routes that our dogs eagerly found in pursuit of blasted pheasants. It still amazes me that dogs who will not go through a half open door still managed to squeeze through a letter box sized gap.

In the end, we moved to France to a home surrounded by a wall. No more badgers. :slightly_smiling_face:

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@David_Spardo you’re keeping his name, yes?

No badgers here, indeed nothing that can’t dig through rock. It might hinder my fence pinning job on Friday, but there is an upside. Not that I wouldn’t like to see them nearby, but in the wild. :wink: :joy:

I take it you mean Hades, yes of course, it means nothing to me when pronounced in French and in any case I have a strict policy, if a dog knows its name, I don’t change it. So Addess it remains :joy:

Doesn’t mean I don’t know what someone was thinking about when they named him though. :roll_eyes:

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Oh, good. I know that lots of people change their dogs’ names when they adopt them, but I think that unless they’re super young, it’s best to keep the name that they are used to. It’ll be interesting to see if he lives up to his name once you’ve trained him.

Our incredibly damaged Airedale came to us as Jack. OH decided as “Jack” healed and we had a wonderful dog that he should have a new name, to deliberately take him away from the memories of how he was treated before he came to us. So he happily became Smudge - never an issue. But I think Smudge and OH decided all that between them. :slight_smile:

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Well the U-spikes arrived on time and I set about driving them in where most needed, fortunately for the most part I found either soft earth or cracks in the rocks and he hasn’t been out since.

But that isn’t to say that hasn’t discovered another challenge for me. When we go out through the gate in the new forest we are supposed to head straight through to the field, about 30 metres away. Hades discovered, soon after I had freed him from the trailing line that if he took an immediate left he would arrive in the neighbours’ garden, where the cats are. He did come back to me but not to my voice, only the whistle. So I realised I had to have a think about that but on the return stretch, down through the forest he disappeared at very high speed, back to the cats’ garden. :roll_eyes: I could see him sitting there, upright and looking at me but not returning. I can’t take his route to get to him because of brambles outside of my fence so had to return into the main garden and gate to arrive with him from a different direction. The reason he was unmoving was not disobedience but the fact that he had wrapped the line around 2 nearby stone planters and it was jammed under them. Soon unwound and back in the garden I gave him a stern look but nothing more, dogs do pick up on facial expressions and, hopefully, act to avoid bad ones in future. :wink:

So, back on the 20 foot line. Surprisingly easy to hold both on their own lines through that first bit and today for the first time I didn’t need to give him an instruction to keep straight and ignore his desire to take the left turn. Once in the field, I stopped them both and gave a treat then left both lines to trail free. No problems at all but on the final descent again I took the precaution of holding the line and told him to stop before it became taut. I was pleased though that all went smoothly after that and he even obeyed my droning ‘homeAddesshomeAddess’ as well as the parallel for Jules. Both went straight through the gate. I think this afternoon and maybe tomorrow he will still be on the line but, the day after? Who knows but worth a try without again. One thing that surprised and encouraged me was that, at one point, he was 150 metres away across the field and he looked up and saw me watching him, without thinking about it I simply opened my arms wide and he immediately came racing back at his usual warp speed. So, yet another string to my bow, hand and arm gestures. :joy:

I had a bad night last night, didn’t sleep much and felt distinctly unwell. So I was not unhappy when Jules joined me on the bed and stayed most of the night. Then he left, about 4 or 5 a.m. I think and I felt another body climb aboard, Hades. Connected? Can they sense the way I am feeling? Not sure, most likely coincidence, maybe. Who knows, but a nice feeling whatever the truth of it. :joy:

Finally, the rapport between the 2 of them continues. I have mentioned the plate cleaning after I have eaten and that sometimes there is only one plate to clean and thus I allow Jules to lick half of it and then, on command, he gives way for Hades to complete the task. Then I allow them both to finish the job at the same time, absolutely no aggro even when sometimes their tongues actually touch. :astonished_face:

This extends to other things, dinnertime, when I have prepared both bowls Hades is usually there before Jules and, after putting both bowls in their respective frames I have to stop him moving forward to eat, with my voice and one hand held flat towards him on high. He obeys until Jules arrives in answer to my whistle, at speed and skids to a sit alongside Hades, for both of them to wait for the command to eat (bon appetit :wink: ). Once, instead of giving the go ahead immediately while I am still there, I walked between and past them into the room, they couldn’t see me but still waited for the command. I had done this before with Jules and even walked into another room before calling, but I was very chuffed to see it working with both of them. :joy:

As you can see, I don’t get much fun out of life, but there are compensations. :rofl: :wink:

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David, I hope you are feeling better now - and maybe you can have a ‘nod’ this afternoon because it’s Siesta Sunday. Well, it is in our house - but Stuart doesn’t get involved. He’s in his nice warm workshop where he will stay until it gets dark!

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Yes, better now thank you, fortunately I have a sunny south facing veranda to sit in and see over the valley reading my book with the occasional visit by a certain young man who tries to climb up on me with his long forelegs.

But we’ll be off again soon up the field and down the forest. If the sun stays (I don’t think it will, plenty of cloud about) I’ll have a quick up and back of the pond afterwards while H runs around outside the fence checking up on me. 12c in the water this morning, but only 11c above. Was tempted to jump in straight away on the basis of that. :rofl:

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Hades continues to go outside the fence though he does return immediately if I see him there and the man who came to quote for the new section of Hades-proof fencing assisted me in confirming where he was leaving from, and, fortunately, returning.
I was right, it was the same hole in the chain link that I blocked before with tyres, he chivvied the tyres a bit to the side in order to get a nose into the small bit of revealed hole to make it larger and, voila.

Today, after the walk this morning and he, with Jules, had obediently returned through the forest gate and had recieved their homecoming treat, I watched as he headed for the thick brush where there is a tunnel he uses towards his exit. I called him sharply and he came back to me. Big praise. But that won’t be the end of it so, with him watching, I got 2 spare rolls of stock fencing (the stuff I should have bought 30 years ago and which will replace the useless chain link) and pressed them both against the hole backed up with 3 heavy tyres. I saw him later investigating shoving them aside and stopped him with a command but I have no doubt that he will succeed simply by worrying it.

Quote accepted I am hoping the man will install the new fencing by the end of next week and in the meantime will have to be vigilant.

But another, and more disturbing developement today. He loves to run at very high speed in the field and delights in narrowly missing both of us. Today for the first time he allowed a collision with Jules to try and get him to join in with the game. Jules was not amused and snapped and snarled at him and, after it had happened a couple of times I got very fierce (voicewise) and put a stop to it and then insisted he walk back alongside me for the rest of the way, he did so willingly after I had started him off by effectively holding him on a short length 'till he remembered his ‘heel’ mode against my thigh.

There is a good reason why I was so worried. A few years ago we had an English Setter called Tosca who was 16 and a half years old. A Dobermann foster called Enola, known to some on here, was, like Hades, very young and active and she did to Tosca almost exactly what Hades did today. Racing at high speed towards us before a last minute swerve. Unfortunately her whiplash tail (just like Hades’) flailing behind her struck Tosca a heavy blow on the head and she went down like a sack of potatoes. I had to pick her up and carry her home but she had had massive brain damage and I had to end her life at the vet’s the next day.

So, bearing in mind Jules’ age, and his ongoing treatment because of strokes, what I saw was very alarming and I will have to be very alert from now on.

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This is alarming indeed. Tiresome but for the next while perhaps you can always be present when the two dogs are out together, and immediately stop Hades when there are signs of a run at Jules before it ends. Jules reacting as he did is just right and may well have taight Hades not to do that again. Dogs have their ways of teaching and learning that we do not see.
Fingers crossed for you three!

Yes, thank you, it is only in the field where it has happened, as that is the only place he can run flat out, it is a bit puzzling though as this is the first time it has happened. I’m going to have to be very alert though, or change and go both up and back in the forest, but I don’t want to restrict him from stretching his legs. He does at least appear to be a quick learner so hopefully he will recognise my anger as well as Jules’ and desist.

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One step forward etc..
Went up through the forest today, avoiding the field all fine and both dogs emerged at the ‘pinchpoint’ between the 2 fields and waited obeying the newly installed rdv point there. :joy:

Then went along the bottom of the top field and, after pausing for a treat at the next rdv, all set off down through the forest again. But he got too far ahead, or I was too late with the ‘homehadeshome’ drone and he continued on down to the neighbours.

In through the gate with me whistling and calling Hades to no avail so I loudly gave Jules his homecoming treat. I then set off in search of our miscreant, could find him nowhere but, after about 20 minutes I heard a sort of pitifully weak cry and discovered him wrapped round 3 bushes with the line jammed tight. After unravelling him I walked him back on a tight short held line section before letting him go and demanding he walk to heel. He did. :joy:

This of course is the drawback and the danger of allowing dogs to trail long lines. Normally I have his easily seen blue one in sight so use it as a useful tool, but, as he is almost 100% obedient, perhaps I should reconsider now and set him free. But I still have Jules’ health to consider regarding the collision danger. :thinking:

Decisions, decisions. On balance, until he has calmed in the field I must leave the line attached because in an impending emergency I could grab it to save Jules from harm.

Having said that, on the other hand, if I at least keep Jules in the forest, up and down, or stay with him all the time to protect him when in the field, maybe that’s the way. :thinking:

What was that I said? Something about decisions? Aaaargh.

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I would say this. Jules seems happy to stick to you and Hades can run back and forth but NOT TOO CLOSE you can enforce. He’s super smart and will learn. He’s just young and over eager :relieved_face:

No more collision incidents, perhaps he got carried away before and didn’t realise that they hurt him too.

Anyway, the man came a short while ago to begin constructing the new, higher, fence. The main difference though is it is stock fencing replacing the useless chain link I had erected all those years ago. I went outside the gate to agree with him all that needs doing and noticed the rolled up fencing still in place to stop Hades from pushing through the ever burgeoning hole at the base. I was pretty convinced that most of his exiting had stopped, not all but perhaps I had made it to difficult for him to bother.

As the man and I stood there talking Hades was on the inside watching us and making no attempt to borrow out when, all of a sudden, he came flying right over the top, not a climb, but a giant leap. :astonished_face:

I did not have time to notice by what margin he cleared it so will have to wait and see if the new fence is high enough to deter further attempts. Should not be a big problem, I have spare rolls of this newer stuff so should be able to tack extra height on later myself if necessary.

So many years since I last had such a young dog, it is so much fun isn’t it? Isn’t it? :sweat_smile:

BTW, not knowing that the man was coming today I set up the wild life camera, trained on that point, earlier just to see how and where he does go out, so when I check it later and if it is good enough, I’ll post the leap on here. :rofl:

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