The UK Supreme Court Ruling on Women

[Porridge]

@Earthdave

I feel that your vocabulary (like ‘cult of identity’ ) reveals that you are taking just as much of an ideological position. You have decided that this ‘gender dysphoria’ is all nonsense, so you look to the DSM when convenient, and dismiss it as arbitrary when rhat suits you.

I repeat, do YOU consider that homosexuality is a mental disorder, now? Yes or no. Forget psychiatrists; we are talking of your views and positions.

@Earthdave , I used “cult of Identity” to distinguish what the activists say from science/medicine. It won’t take long for you to check how much science is behind gender ideology - there is barely any, and no long-term comparative study - which is the biggest criticism of the current approach.

It may be that the tide is beginning to turn in the US (see the recent case of Fox Varian) but I’m not very optimistic.

Gender dysphoria is a real condition. Gender incongruence is a much more recent addition to the lexicon, coined to fit in with the current ideology (which asserts, for example, that it is not a mental disorder for a man to feel like he is in the wrong body). I know people who have these conditions.

I’m very flattered that you are so keen on getting my opinion about the categorisation of homosexuality - or would be, did your question not bear all the hallmarks of a “gotcha”

In fact, you could have worked it out from what I’ve already said.

@Porridge

When someone suffers from gender incongruence/dysmorphia, there are no physical symptoms: there is only what the sufferer says, plus certain behaviours associated with the sufferer’s account, which might support it. … [That is why it fits the definition of a] mental disorder

If a gay person is distressed by the fact s/he is gay, then whatever the current psychiatric opinion is, then s/he is suffering from dysphoria, which (see above) is a mental disorder. If not, not!