As I said, depends on the definition and where that definition comes from.
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Indeed @Corona!
Gender incongruence has been moved out of the âMental and behavioural disordersâ chapter and into the new âConditions related to sexual healthâ chapter. This reflects current knowledge that trans-related and gender diverse identities are not conditions of mental ill-health, and that classifying them as such can cause enormous stigma.
If it really were âknowledgeâ, rather than ideology, thereâd be science to back it up.
In fact - and this is something easy to check - thereâs no science to show that gender dysphoria is anything but a mental disorder, very recently reclassified.
Note the reference to âenormous stigmaâ and my previous comment about always being able to identify the weaknesses of an ideology: they are the parts no-one is allowed to question.
By the way, gender reassignment is quite a profitable business, which weâre importing from the US: Gender Reassignment Surgery Market Size to Hit USD 5.51 Bn by 2034.
Now youâre splitting hairs. Gender Dysphoria is defined As âthe specific distress or discomfort experienced when oneâs internal sense of gender doesnât match their body or assigned sexâ. That is completely separate to being or identifying as transgender. Dysphoria is a recognised mental health issue whether it is caused by gender issues or for example being bullied at school.
Have yopu ever thought of taking up politics, perhaps in the US?
The point I was making is that the classification of gender dysphoria as anything but a mental disorder is the result of a decision made as a result of pressure by pressure groups, and is not based on science.
There is no other disorder where
(a) there is zero physical evidence of the condition
(b) the only evidence of the disorder comes from the patient him/herself
and the treatment is surgical.
There are other types of mental disorder - e.g. body integrity disorder - where it would be considered unethical to accede to the patientâs wishes for amputation or similar. Iâve never heard of any justification for treating suffers of gender dysphoria differently.
Gender dysphoria can only be a mental disorder if gender is externally imposed on someone (e.g. theyâre not allowed to socially and/or medically transition)
Being gay was treated similarly by psychs before
Youâll have to explain your reasoning there.
Explain what?
I think @TFJWM is basically saying the same as me. Dysphoria is a recognised mental health condition and has been for many years. Itâs definition has not been recently changed. Many people with long term illnesses or chronic pain suffer from dysphoria, but you wouldnât suggest that all these underlying conditions were mental health issues. Having a gender identity issue and suffering from dysphoria are two completely separate thing just like they are in people with other conditions who suffer from dysphoria. The WHO definition change was not related to gender dysphoria, but to gender identity itself. So, gender dysphoria is a recognised mental health issue in the same way that any form of dysphoria is. Having a gender identity issue is not a recognised mental health issue and the WHO have been lagging behind most other organisations in changing the definition, and they recognise this in the text of ICD-11.
Right, I think I understand the point. Itâs quite a technical distinction, and I donât think a general discussion of dysphoria is relevant to the topic. I certainly donât intend to discuss the various forms of dysphoria - distress, in laymanâs terms - further.
Unless by âdysphoriaâ you mean âgender dysphoriaâ.
The idea that gender incongruence and gender dysphoria are not the same thing - you might be gender incongruent without suffering any distress from it - seems to be relatively new idea. Itâs somewhat implausible, too, but it probably happens on occasion.
But it seems now that âgender incongruenceâ is used as the standard term for what some people describe as âhaving been born in the wrong bodyâ, and that is no longer classified (in certain parts of the world) as a mental disorder.
The key point is this. When someone suffers from gender incongruence/dysmorphia, there are no physical symptoms: there is only what the sufferer says, plus certain behaviours associated with the suffererâs account, which might support it. And that is exactly what we see with any other mental disorder, and the opposite of what happens with a physical disorder.
Do you think that the mental issues are at least partly to blame because of the more rigid society framework, you are male or female and heterosexual? That creates the internal issue.
The same applies to any deeply held belief, doesnât it. Itâs only a disorder if it clashes with what weâve decided to call order.
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Homosexuality was initially categorised and treated as a psychiatric disorder (which is why gay people in the US/UK dislike the term âhomosexualâ). Only relatively recently did that change, on the basis apparently of American psychiatristsâ belief: When Homosexuality Stopped Being a Mental Disorder | Psychology Today
Because of this, homosexuality was then treated in various more or less brutal ways, doubtless in the same way that we are performing surgery and sterilising children today: because of a lack of knowledge and understanding.
I donât believe itâs âa more rigid society framework [which creates only two alternatives] ⌠male or femaleâ,: itâs simple biology. The species would have died out without that!
Itâs a spectrum like so many things, the very polarised format of many societies, and especially patriarchal ones, even more especially ones which use shame as a lever for conformity and social control, makes it into a problem to be cured or a crime to be stamped out, rather than part of the human condition to be got on with. The species wouldnât have died out, not everybody can or wishes to procreate.
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Now that humans are loosing the plot so to speak this will probably become the self regulating aspect on over population.
Perversion of the design for population growth has always been around. It was illegal and thanks to religious beliefs punishable by death in some cultures so either driving it underground or controlling numbers. Today we are more tolerant.
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So how about celibacy in monastic orders is perversion of the design for population growth?
Surely you havenât forgotten all the New Testament stuff you were brought up on, and particularly what Paul said about being celibate (I think the Catholics call that a gift)!
Letâs hope so, what is the real point of monasteries? Historically rejected science, carried on ???
Prayer, I think.
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An outdated regime, praying to a deity long since gone, hopefully the cuneiform tablets will later reveal the real origins