Both utterly utterly ghastly. Frightful people.
Extreme Zionists often call criticism of their unlawful, according to the UN, policies anti-semitism.
I find it perplexing when, only the other day on the news, there were two instances of Islamic terrorists in court for violent crimes and people are not supposed to express concern.
[quote="Jane_Williamson, post:182, topic:2] I find it perplexing when, only the other day on the news, there were two instances of Islamic terrorists in court for violent crimes and people are not supposed to express concern.
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I’m not sure what you mean by “people are not supposed to express concern”, Jane. Who or what do you suppose is constraining anyone from expressing concern?
I’m more concerned about the use of the term Islamic terrorism to describe single acts of violent crime by individuals who are Muslims, and whose motives may not be intended to terrorise, but to wreak vengeance on supposed tormentors, motivated by rage, on a disorganised impulse, and possibly under the influence of psychotic delusions rather than intelligent planning.
I’m not saying this is inevitably or even usually the case, but it is IMO a credible alternative thesis that should always be set side by side with reflex and unquestioning “terrorist” ones, part of a political repertoire of propaganda tactics of a disreputable, obvious and tiresome kind.
There are at least 2 very tricky questions of language and meaning here.
One is the attempt by zionists, and sometimes the state of Israel, to confuse anti-zionism with anti-semitism - either because they themselves are confused, or to deflect criticism of the Israeli state. But while singling out the jewish religion as one that should not have a state would indeed be anti-semitic, the principled belief, almost universal here in France, and common on the political left, that all states should be separate from any religious affiliation, and impartial to all, is clearly not at all anti-semitic.
The second is the idea and phrase of ‘islamic terrorism’, because the terrorism has nothing to do with islam except in the confused minds of the terrorists themselves. We should, perhaps, adopt a phrase like ‘violent religious extremists’, to make clear that (as far as I know) no religion is free from this contagion.
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HaHa Gove reminds me of The Cartoon Wallace (and Gromit) and he is the Wallace. Before the generation Z’s of the forum start piling up screaming rights, racism etc , i must admit W and G are my heroes.
Peter, there is no need to be concerned. Fact is Fact, their comic book tells them in no uncertain terms (over 100 sura) what they have to do so dont try and soften it down. Their acts are intended to terrorise, kill or maime the infidel. of which if you are not of the islamic faith, are one (an infidel)
Rant over
A pal has got a £200 dinner bet on a hung parliament. Up to the point that it was revealed that Bojo was warned about the threat of terrorist-inclined prisoners, he was on a loser. But now … ?
Geoff, I agree that the semantics are a problem. Despite having a number of Jewish friends - mostly Americans - I have never really understood what A Jew is.
Is it a person who is solely an adherent to the Jewish religion? Or that plus alignment with a particular - Jewish - culture? If the latter, what is this Jewish culture and can it be part and parcel of the culture of the society in which this person lives - British/French/w.h.y. ?
A great joke, told to me by one of my Jewish pals.
He is a writer and has specialised in reviewing and writing about jazz. He was sitting backstage in a German venue with another US jewish pal - just the two of them - talking about the gig they had just seen.
A head poked round the door and asked, in German-accented English, “Any more jews in here?”
From then on my shopping list, when necessary, includes ‘jews’.
As I understand it, as a chaplain (but not a Jew), Jewishness is not a choice, it is determined by birth through the maternal line.
The comic book in use in the UK advocates slavery, stoning to death for planting different crops in the same field, maiming or killing people you don’t like especially if they have a lisp, burning people who trim their hair, marrying children and/or your dead spouse’s sibling and banning anyone with a limp or a flat nose from religious services.
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“One is the attempt by zionists, and sometimes the state of Israel, to confuse anti-zionism with anti-semitism - either because they themselves are confused, or to deflect criticism of the Israeli state.” the latter. “the terrorism has nothing to do with islam except in the confused minds of the terrorists themselves.” Spot on. Especially when you bear in mind that most of the Islamic denominations (about 11 out of 14 of them) are rarely involved. When was the last time it turned out that someone with a ‘Jihadi virus’ (ffs…) was a Druze muslim, or an Ismaili? By the same token, we could state that the latest white U.S. school shooter was, by dint of having been baptized, was thus a ‘Christian extremist.’ That tends not to happen so much.
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The dog nails it… again!
I was going to put this in Brexit humour, but its not funny.
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I suppose this could be applied to all the politicians. One thing is for sure Wurzel gummidge wouldnt be even on my list and neither would JoJo ( i will be PM) swindle
My only question Roger would be
Are you really okay with what the Tories have done & are doing to the UK ? That is, austerity, food banks, child poverty, selling off stuff to US, awarding contracts to private firms (NHS etc.)
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Hi Roger - did you even look at the cartoon? Your comment is exactly the sort of thinking it warns against.
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Personally (and I know your question was not directed at me) I’m pretty uncomfortable with where the Tories seem to want to take the country at present.
It is not just Mr Rees-Mogg who seems to want to return to Victorian times where the poor and downtrodden were kept, well, poor and downtrodden and grateful for the small crumbs of charity that their betters, in their munificence, occasionally tossed over the wall.
It’s only a pity that we no longer have workhouses for them.
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Hi Guy, like i said in my post above , “This can be applied to all politicians”. At the end of the day it doesnt matter who, what or anything. They are all the same, they all spout what they will do when or if they get into power, and what happens “nothing” or at the least not a huge amount.
Bob, i am not necessarily in approval, but lets face the facts, Labour isnt much better if at all, the fallout from them is just the same only called by a different name. They spend money they dont even have and wont even get and then the conservatives appear again and the austerity savings etc begins all over again. So personally they all need to be sent to a gulag.
I understand your sentiments Roger, but my big problem with Johnson, May, Cameron & the rest of the shit-show, is that the poor, disabled, elderly, & infirm are increasingly made to suffer, whilst the millionaires get greatyer & greater concessions made to them.
If, that’s IF JC & co can somehow be given the possibility to tax those that should be taxed instead of letting them get away with it…Osbourne, Cameron, Rees-fucking-Mogg, etc;, included,then maybe ordinary folk might end up paying less, or at least, not be made to foot the bill of those that can afford the best accountants.
I know this is a very simplistic view, but maybe taking a simple approach is what is needed…& not for the first time, I find myself saying , it should now, considering it’s the 21st fucking century, be about people & not STILL about fucking money.
Capitals are for emphasis, & not me shouting…just to be clear
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It seems you really have missed the point, Roger. The Dog’s argument is that we have to make it not about personalities, but about policies. You might not agree with him, but if you are going to comment then please respond to the question.
All you do is prove his point - I’ll never vote for x because insert justification here is not a good enough argument. We need to see through the personalities and assess the policies.
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