ULEZ in London and a French vehicle reg

Here’s the rub. I don’t know if you can register retrospectively :slightly_frowning_face:

Seems a lot of work.

Its meant to be otherwise people, especially them foreigners will take all our jobs and not pay their taxes…:joy:

I guess it was the rental company that gave your details to the debt collector? Which is interesting, usually rental companies reserve the right to pay fines and then debit your credit card. I wonder is it the driver or the vehicle owner that’s liable?

As far as I know, there is no reciprocal agreement between the French and UK authorities regarding exchange of car registration details which makes me wonder if any EU data protection laws have been broken.

I’ve read elsewhere that you stand a good chance of the fines being cancelled if you appeal the fine(s), send in proof of ULEZ compliance and state that the signage was unclear.

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I rented the van from a supermarket (Carrefour) so they may not operate in quite the same way as conventional vehicle rental companies.

Mmm, were you insured to go to the UK? Not that it matters, all’s well that ends well :slightly_smiling_face:

Personally, if the palaver I posted above is really required to drive a foreign registered car in London I think it is over the top. Maybe it’s part of taking back control :face_with_hand_over_mouth: But being a retired and cantankerious old fart I’d definitely battle it :slightly_smiling_face:

I suspect that if you don’t pay the only thing EPC can do is sue you in France. Is that a viable option over a couple of hundred euros? Have they the grounds to do so based on some fine in the UK? I suspect they send out these bills on the assumption that a certain number of folk will pay up at once, a certain number will pay up after a few more threats and that some will never pay up but pursuing them costs more than its worth.

I’ve had (modest) speeding tickets sent to me from Germany, the Netherlands and some other trivial (and inexplicable) motoring offence in Italy. All came from the relevant authorities not some bottom feeding debt collectors (another reason to fight :slightly_smiling_face:) I paid the Italian and Dutch ones but the German one didn’t have usable payment details, I wrote to them (lettre recommandée avec accusé de réception) asking for same, just in case they came after me years later with fines on fines on fines.

I’d love a look at the letter from EPC.

Mine was from Transport for London Dart Charge. I think the EPC bit is just because they think we can only pay in euros.

Who is EPC Rendi?

See above, sorry photo isn’t very good. Its Euro Parking Collection plc.

Thanks. Was it for not paying a meter or over staying? If so fair game I’d say. I presume it was a car registered in your name as well?

Oh, I see now… a double yellow :face_with_hand_over_mouth:

I don’t mind paying up when I’ve been naughty but old Vitesse seems to have been shafted because the ULEZ system can’t cope with foreign registrations (and SFA chance of it ever doing so after Brexit).

No it was for going through the Dartford tunnel. I paid online at the time but it couldn’t trace the vehicle from the reg and asked me for make and model. I paid £2.50 for a Berlingo but I think it should have been £3 because it’s a van and presumably that’s why I was fined. Because I was able to produce the receipt I only had to pay the normal charge in euros. It wasn’t worth arguing that I’d already paid most of it!

Your problem is reported on many sites, from a camper forum https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/french-emissions-fine-not-what-you-think.276209/a French guy suffering the same situation ,the reply was …“The company that you register with Transport for London is EPC plc & they are a multi european company that uses any methods to obtain money They can access european wide registration info .They are also the company that enforces many private parking sites ,especially motorway ones.”… it appears they never give up

Really good link and interesting debate. I love the advice to dump your plates before offending, only a £60 fine and no points :face_with_hand_over_mouth: This is the sort of silly behaviour that stupid legislation drives. I play by the rules in every country I visit but I hate traps and gotchas. Driving past a big “C” in London is a gotcha IMO.

Bottom feeders. Being a grumpy old fart, if I feel I’ve been ripped off I expend more time and effort on challenging bastards like them rather than actually rolling over and paying the fine. :face_with_hand_over_mouth: Even if I have to pay eventually, every interaction we have costs money, lots of money, and costs me nothing :face_with_hand_over_mouth:

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For the record I registered my French plated car with TFL in order to drive in the ULEZ without hassle. It was no problem to do.

Despite being an EV it still can’t go into the Congestion Charge zone without paying, but the ULEZ is free.

Clearly the expansion of the ULEZ from 29/08/2023 to include all London boroughs will mean that it’s a really good idea to get registered with TFL as it will be well nigh impossible to detour around after that date.

I realise this doesn’t help the OP as they were driving a hire vehicle, it’s just for info.

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I have an electric car too and brought it over from the UK (it cost next to nothing to register in France, too). It used to be registered for the London Congestion Zone zero-rate discount.

But the U/LEZ is different. UK registered cars don’t need to register at all. You’re simply fined if your vehicle enters into the zone if that vehicle doesn’t meet the emissions specification. My hire van DID meet the required emissions specifications and I did the necessary research to ensure it did.

I’m being fined because TfL have chosen to discriminate against foreign registered vehicles regardless of whether they meet the emissions requirement or not. That is simply unjust.

Of course the van was insured and we also checked that it was OK to take it from France to the UK.

Good, it’s something one wouldn’t have even thought of before Brexit but now it’s hard to know.

I thought we’d talked about ULEZ (whatever) previously… and finally found it…

That’s a slightly misleading thing to say.

You can log your non-UK vehicle with TFL & thus avoid being charged/fined. This is a fact because I’ve done it - I had to send a scan of my carte grise to prove that the car was what I claimed it was.

I can see that logging a non-UK hired vehicle with them would be trickier. They clearly can trace the registration or you would not have ended up being fined. There must be a way to get van details to them to prove that it didn’t need to pay for entering the ULEZ. Bon courage!

First, there has been absolutely no warning or publicity that I have seen regarding the need to pre-register. I moved to France 2 years ago and of course ULEZ was on my mind when I hired the van. I diligently checked and confirmed that the vehicle was compliant. In the UK drivers of compliant cars don’t need to register (though they do for the Congestion Charge - I normally drive an electric car and used to register that car for the Congestion Zone ‘discount’ to zero charge). Thousands of European drivers have been caught out by this laziness on the part of TfL. If they are able to trace me in France via the vehicle registration in order to demand money that they don’t deserve, why don’t they put the same effort into checking the specifications of the vehicle via the same method and not worry and waste the time of thousands of innocent motorists?

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