Good analogy.
To pursue the chicken analogy to the cooking pot, who severed the chickenâs head? 
It fell off naturally from all that nodding backwards and forwards and in ever decreasing circles. So nobody did it, it strangled itself!
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Well Chris with three Conservatives having now just resigned from their party also, it could be that we are seeing a new type of conviction politics emerging. Of course chances are they will be deselected at the next election and could all peter out and disappear into obscurity but I admire their stance on both sides in deciding to do what is best for the country above that of their parties. It will be interesting to see if more follow. But, with five weeks to Brexit day this can only make getting any solution through Parliament an even tougher task.
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I say Iâd always vote for a Common Sense Party. Neither left nor right, but looking objectively at what benefits the most people and aligns with the notion of common sense. However, I can see that âcommon senseâ is, in itself, subjective depending on who you ask!
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Surely whether a party/ politician is left or right wing depends on where you are when looking at them?
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Usually from the centre.
I donât agree.
I think it makes No Deal and a Peopleâsâ Vote more likely.
The Brexiteers and Corbyn are being exposed for their hard line attitudes.
I donât include TM in this as she is just a stubborn woman who has put herself in this position by calling for an ill advised General Election.
What about all of Theresa Mayâs red lines? I think she handled the negotiations appallingly. Pandering to the Brexiteers⌠Ridiculous statements about Red, White and Blue BrexitsâŚ
She should have been honest with the electorate a lot earlier if she was a politician of any substance. Her obsession with immigration and the hostile environment means she is far from an innocent in all of this.
But then most politicians on the whole are not being honest about what Brexit entails. That includes Jeremy Corbyn⌠still I would rather have a Corbyn Brexit than a Theresa May one.
But of course the best Brexit is no Brexit!!!
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Ps I have been feeling inspired to respond to you. I am not just determined to lock horns and I do really enjoy your contributions!
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âShe should have been honestâŚâ (@anon82447983)
I think she is duplicitous and, worse, sanctimonious with it.
Her first prime-ministerial speech about overcoming unfairness was pious twaddle, delivered with the same solemn po-faced insincerity as Margaret Thatcherâs warmed-up rehash of the âSt Francisâs Prayerâ A prayer of St. Francis of Assisi - Wikisource, the free online library, which still curdles the blood and curls the toes to hear her intone it. 
She is rigid, right-wing and probably racist deep down. The sooner she goes, the better, but I just hope she doesnât drown the lot of us when she eventually pulls the bilge-plug on HMS Brexshit.
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JFK quote.
Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country - centre right with a nationalist theme.
Flip it and you get the opposite
Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you - centre left with a socialist theme.
As you travel to the extremes your country or the individual become less or more important until it becomes more about the leader and power and less about anything else.
The Labour Brexit is also âcake and eat itâ, they want access to the single market and be in âaâ customs union but donât want freedom of movement, simply wonât work. It will be interesting to see what the EU say after meeting Corbyn today.
@tim17 Yes, definitely a cake and eat it approach. Less of a belligerent one maybe. Having said that I think a peopleâs vote or citizensâ assembly is the only way out of this infernal impasse.
I donât think that TM is inherently extremist right wing in her ideology.
You are quite right that she has painted herself into a corner with her red lines and her ill advised General Election lost her her overall majority and made her a hostage to the extreme right wing in the Tory party.
What I donât like about her is her attitude to immigration.
Including students in immigration figures was manipulating them.
She also seems to be excessively stubborn and that may be one of her own traits or the fact that she comes from the generation of women who had to be more male in their outlook than men to be taken seriously.
The present leadership of the Labour party is there because of a determined push by Momentum, the child of of its Trotskyist predecessor Militant.
That is definitely extremist left wing.
I find it extremely heartening that there seems to be a growing group of MPâs that are rejecting this polarisation of politics.
Dominic Grieve is the latest to come out and say publicly that he will refuse the Tory whip if TM continues to consider No Deal.
Labour would have had Starmer leading the negotiations who would have commanded more respect from Barnier etc than Davies, Raab or Barclay put together, whether the result would have been any different though is another story.
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Corbyn seems to have ignored the mandate from the Labour Party Conference for a Peopleâs Vote by saying that was the option when all other avenues had been explored.
He is now running out of roads!
Agreed that it is not easy for women in politics and I am beyond appalled at the commentary that many politicians (male or female) have to endure, including Theresa May. I am also thinking of that man walking around on a pro-Brexit march with a noose calling her a traitor. No politician should have to put up with that. As for George Osborne having fantasised about chopping her up and putting her in the freezer, he would do better to reflect upon his role in the Brexit debacle with his zealous relish for austerity.
But I donât think that it was simply the disastrous general election that led to her being held hostage to the Brexiteer faction. At the start of 2017 she started repeatedly saying that No Deal was better than a bad deal. The problem is lots of people believed that. Now of course those same people regard no deal warnings as project fear.
Theresa Mayâs hostile environment has apparently led to the splitting up of 33 000 British families, due to minimum income requirements.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/18/what-does-theresa-mays-record-as-home-secretary-tell-us
During her tenure at the home office the vans with âGo Homeâ written on them were driven around on her watch. The shameful treatment of the Windrush generation does not bode well for EU nationals currently living in the UK. As a British citizen living in the EU, do you really see her fighting your corner?
But having said that her deal is probably a reflection of the voting intentions of the UK in 2016. A sad compromise, and as Ken Clarke called it, a bit of a dogâs dinner. Definitely not as terrible as no deal. However it doesnât really solve anything as Brexit is an (interminable) process and not an event. I get the shivers just thinking how long it will go on for.
Momentum, unlike Militant is not a covert operation. It is open about its aims. True that any political group may harbour extremists. As I have previously pointed out the Conservative party is full of them. However the main aim is to see a socialist candidate in power arguing for genuinely better conditions for people. Not a Blairite who aims to be like the Tories but slightly less bad. That to quite a few sensible people wanting better conditions doesnât seem to be much of an aim. It is amazing that wanting better services and contracts leads to those people then being described as cultists.
But maybe Momentum is described as frightening because of its success especially at a time when Tory membership is dwindling.
I donât see Momentum as a frightening or sinister organisation, and the majority of members want a final say on any Brexit deal. Although given the Labour Leadership handling of Brexit, I personally support the Green Party as I believe in Freedom of movement and continued membership of the EU as well as their environmental aims.
Maybe out of this mess a new centrist party will form and as previous posters have pointed out it will pave the way for proportional representation.
Ps apologies for the long post. I am sitting in a freezing garage waiting to get my car fixed!
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If we club together to buy you an old wreck on bricks with no windscreen, and sit you in it barefoot and wearing a threadbare onesie ⌠will you agree to write more posts like the last one please @anon82447983?