You need to look at a horror to understand

This is from today’s Graun. :frowning:

I agree 100%

Not 100% for me. But to interpret support as moral rather than financial except if my government decides to help, as I know it has.

How can you not support morally a people who were, and still are, ejected from their homeland, and killed in great numbers for daring to resist or reclaim?

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Well, I would not support Palestinians because they created a disgusting massacre of innocent people simply and deliberately to create an overwhelming response from IDF to gain international sympathy. They seem to have succeeded in that. I believe if you support that strategy, you are inviting a similar tactic in the future.

If you support Israel, you are condoning their over-reaction to each attack on them with the result we are witnessing in Gaza today.

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The point I’m making is that the situation is far too complex, and the roots go far deeper and far longer back, than would allow me to take one side or another.

Think that needs some qualification, because you’re in danger of conflating Hamas with the majority of Palestinians who are now former residents of Gaza, just as one needs to continue to distinguish between anti-Zionism and anti-semitism.

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Ooof - the Palestinian Authority? An interim self-governing body established in the 1990s through the Oslo Accords - with a seat in the UN?

Though reportedly not particularly popular amongst Palestinians.

Reading your statement - are you including the UK resident Palestinians who marched today in London on Nakba day? Palestinians in the US? They all created a massacre?

Should we write “Isrealis … created a disgusting massacre of innocent people”? I think not!

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Precisely.

I think the main danger of conflation comes from supporting one side or the other in the dispute.

Was the pro-Palestinian march this weekend in London in support of the homeless, hungry, hopeless citizens of Gaza or was it in support of the actions of Hamas? The celebration of Nakba Day does not make it clear.

The withdrawal from the Eurovision Song Contest of several countries is clearly anti-Zionist. How many looney nationalists understand the difference and see it as a green light to burn synagogues etc.?

Taking sides inflames the problem. Talking, to find a way to live side by side, is the way forward and is what should be encouraged.

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Done Palestinians a fat lot of good since 1948. Is there not a limit on that when your country is stolen?

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Yes, when the stealing country has killed everyone who was linked to the land.

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The problem with history is that, unless you are Dr Who or Arty Mcfly, it only goes in one direction. Going back to 1948 or any other date, no matter how outrageous the injustice, only serves to inflame current emotions.You can only progress into the future from where you are.

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Yes, and where we are is Israel grossly taking advantage of Palestinians including destroying houses, killing occupants, stealing land, destroying centuries old olive trees (means of living) and re-installing the death sentence but only for Palestinians. I don’t believe the latter could come anywhere near being as savage as the yahoo and his clan.

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