Hi Joe
I missed the “Not” difficult to argue etc. My apologies
Tim
The Remain campaign:
a) failed to talk about “Passporting” or the “Erasmus” program, as examples which will have an effect on the UK.
b) never countered the £350 million claim.
c) failed to find any persuasive public face.
d) failed to counter the “points system” now dismissed as unworkable
e) impact on agriculture, the NHS and social services
d) loss of funding on agriculture, universities, regional support. (why did the most heavily supported region in the UK by the EU vote to Leave?)
They focussed on making claims that, whilst they may or may not turn out to be true, were not believable and not arguments that touched the concerned public, such as the £350 million claim or immigration.
They did not seem to understand the issues that concerned the public and did not really address them in their campaign.
I have my own views as to why but it is all irrelevant now.
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What about those of us planning to move to France?? I’ve been planning my move for a year (British born but residing in NZ). Do I just give up the dream?
Because that was the system established by the government for the Referendum. That more people didn’t vote is a pity, but it was an unusually high turnout. By the way, those of us who gave it thorough consideration and decided to vote Leave are not all sh**s, and neither are we at all miserable, quite chuffed, in fact. I have wondered why the disenfranchised UK citizens who were not eligible to vote never complained about being unable to vote for the UK government or MEPs, but assumed that they didn’t mind after 15 years absence and accepted this situation as we all accept that we have no national election vote in France. Fewer insults and more practical suggestions, please.
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Sorry if your nose is out of joint, but thats what happens when you refuse to accept the facts.
you’re on a website about living in France and voted leave?
That beggars belief.
You want a practical suggestion? I doubt the admins would let it pass if I wrote it.
But yes, to my mind you especially fit the bill of the worst kind of leave voter.
Don’t reply as next time I’ll say what I really want to and risk the admins rebuke for doing so.
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where are you Carrie? Im in the Manawatu, Lis and I are making the move next year, or were, but with all the BS from May and co its now all up in the air.
other than presenting facts which got declared as scare mongering or “academics” providing factual data so untrustworthy.
The former UK is now the Seperated Kingdom, built on the back of lies, racism and anti Intellectualists.
Welcome back to the britain of baldricks and turnips and the middle ages.
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Hi David, why were you surprised that a company can react quickly in the market place. This day and age flexibility is key to all business. We have a 6 acre site of ultra modern purpose build warehousing and distribution. We also have first class directors and management. All of our staff are fully trained and remain with the company, staff turnover is very low. Our directors have all served a minimum of 20 years. We’re number one in Europe and next year we will be 50 years old. As a trading company we are very close to the market and react to the slightest changes and are always ready for more work.
The biggest key to success is the positive attitude of all the staff working as a team. Our group managing director encourages all departments to plan for themselves and he makes a point of talking to them everyday. When I talk to our staff I always feel good because of the upbeat mood of young people growing within the company. The new youngsters coming in are our future.
When I am in France speaking to business people it’s usually moans and groans about the slow business and tax. Quite depressing, so don’t mock pro active successful companies. Brexit is already pushing more opportunities for Britain, even though there will be some tough times ahead we feel more than confident to adapt to change and not fight it. What do they say, go with the flow.
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Brilliantly expressed Geof
Hope you haven’t got any ‘foriegn’ staff Geoff!!!
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Tim, I have every right to reply, you do not edit this discussion. For your information I have been living in France for the last ten years, and have no intention of returning to the UK. I am confident that we will still be living in France in ten years time, just as happily as we do now. We jumped into the relative unknown when we sold up and moved to France and we have faced various ups and downs along the way, and survived. I believe that the EU and € face enormous problems, whether the UK is in or out, and that the UK will have a better future by leaving. That is my personal opinion, but not mine alone. I respect that your opinion is different, and do not believe this is the place to argue our differences.
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Geoff, as someone who has lived and worked in Europe and voted for a common market at the time, I consider myself to be European but not a federalist. The EU member states had a golden opportunity to recognise the need for changes when Cameron made his tour to gain changes for the UK. Mr Juncker and his cohorts thought it a good “game” to veto pretty much most of his requests and thus triggered the referendum ground rules. The UK never voted for a federal Europe, the EU failed to carry out proper due diligence on Greece’s financial state because they were more interested in enlarging the EU. The EU central government has been the Architect of its own coming disaster and the UK leaving will allow it to be at the front of the queue in negotiating trade deals rather than being one of 28 scrabbling for the same when the collapse arrives. I find the demise of the EU very sad but inevitable.
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Hi Catherine, yes we have some foreign staff but everybody is talking about people sent home from Britain with Brexit, that’s not going to happen. The idea of Brexit is to control the wasters that want to come for a job seeking holiday paid for by a Jobseeker’s Allowance. Catherine when I’m in Belgium and listen to business people I find it amazing when they’re talking about Brexit. They think Britain want to go back to the 1950’s and shrink from the world stage, at least it gives me a good laugh. To the Belgium business people there is no life outside of the EU. To me there is no life in the EU as it lurches from one crises to another.
At least the Brits are shaking things up a bit. Keep up the good work Catherine, regards Geof.
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Absolutely right Ian, I voted for the common market back in the 70’s but not an economic union. Well put.
At least we will be out of it soon, whether pre EU collapse or post.
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Hi Tim, I’m in Auckland.
Cannot believe how much I’ve taken my uk citizenship for granted all these years.
Are you still confident in making the move there???
Edit just reread get you aren’t that confident now…guess we’ll just continue to twiddle thumbs.
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I’d rather be here in France than the UK right now!
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Enjoy it while it lasts, the IMF could be busy quite soon.
Spot on, especially the comment about selfish people putting themselves first before before the huge benefits of their birthplace.
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