Mr Trump, not my cup of tea

The amazing thing is that some people like him! Respect him and feel that he is a good leader!!!

I know. It’s quite unbelievable. Some people are very, very foolish and
need educating and the ones they follow are very very rich and influential
but equally foolish. Together, they waste everybody’s time and money and
precious resources on things that need to be used for solving problems.

They are not part of any solution, they are part of the problem. It’s
upsetting and frustrating.

I think people who are impressed by him are probably a bit lacking in
something - maybe bullies or been bullied? Certainly not happy people.

from Mrs
de Mme Jo Blick

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Looking at the comments here I think people are concentrating too much on him when really they should be looking at WHY he was elected.

When the general public are ignored and their views not listened to election after election, eventually something is going to burst and I think this is what has happened.

To be honest the US did not have much choice, the globalist and puppet of Soros, Clinton, who would have started WWIII or him. There was no real candidate.

I don’t like any of them but then politicians generally are a breed of their own who are all useless. Promise the earth and then carry out 1% of them.

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Jayne, I think you make an important point. People everywhere feel the way the world is organised is somehow wrong. Not everybody, perhaps, but most - those who think about such things.

There is a growing belief that money is at the heart of it. We have to earn money to survive, to buy somewhere to live, to feed and clothe ourselves. A very few have huge amounts of money they use to grow richer. They don’t need to work at all.

Most of us only have enough to live a few weeks or even days without working to get some more. We are slaves to money. Without those pieces of thin printed paper and metal disks, or those black digits on your screen showing you are ‘in credit’, you are at risk of destitution.

Why is this? Might there be another way of living and working - without money? Moneyseems to have a life of its own. It can shrivel like a dying thing without our doing anything to kill it. Look at the Euro-Pound exchange rate - 10% loss in less than 6 months. If you lost 10% of your body weight without obvious cause your doctor would suspect you had a life-threatening illness - probably cancer. Think about it.

There must be another way of organising global and national affairs: one that we can have a real say in developing.
What might it look like? Perhaps we might ask our children or grandchildren who will inherit the future.

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I think he was voted in because he is a popularist. He will (like you say
in your post) promise everyone everything, including pandering to the
wishes of some very nasty ideas, namely white supremacists and climate
change deniers - it’s not a coincidence that these two distinct groups of
people have a very similar demographic. They are also frequently religious
extremists who see things in black and white and are incapable of empathy.
He takes all the complaints of the working man and bundles them into trite
statements aimed at dividing the working man against each other - against
women against immigrants, against the disabled, against the left.

He is a billionaire capitalist claiming to be an ordinary man simply by
virtue of the fact that he insults everyone like a drunk in a bar. People
laugh at him and then say ‘well he’s not wrong there , is he?’

He has support from the kkk


and although he vaguely claims he is not associated with them, his
condemnation is only evident when pressed tightly by reporters, to be more
specific.

He avoids statement of facts by making sweeping general statements or false
statements. He tells many lies. He is anti union, anti feminist, anti
equality and anti social. He has insulted disabled people publicly and just
about every other vulnerable group in the world. He is a bully.

I believe Donald Trump is a narcissist and a psychopath.(I am a retired
mental health nurse) He knows exactly which buttons to press to get poorly
educated people to support him and he is unfortunately also attracting
support from some centre right groups who fear to lose power.(Republicans)

I am very sorry to say that we are in the most dangerous position we have
been in since WWII. Millions of Americans are about to lose their
healthcare again and if people continue to treat him seriously - or his
supporters- they are going to plunge us all into a far worse position re-
global warming than we were in 30 years ago.

Can I also remind everyone who wants to appease his supporters, that the
reason Hitler took control was because people were frightened to speak
against the majority at the time and that just because people vote for
something in a rigged system (‘collegial’ or ‘first past the post’) does
not actually make them a majority or right.

I think they are wrong and must be challenged on every level.

Please don’t mistake me for being too PC. I realise that uneducated people
are sick of being told what to do by people who want us all to behave
perfectly in public and who will pick on others for any tiny thing. (an
example is to claim that all people who say the Israeli government is
creating an apartheid state are anti-semites. Nothing is further from the
truth. I have a very good and very jewish friend who despises the state of
Israel in it’s current form.)

from Mrs
de Mme Jo Blick

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Yes…perhaps…but he is appears to be exceptionally unappealing.

I think that (one of) the strange things about Trump is that he made promises and is trying to deliver them. In that way he is perhaps more honest than politicians who make promises that they don’t keep. Don’t misunderstand me, his promises were dreadful, and if executed will cause human misery and damage to the planet, and thankfully the Courts are preventing him from keeping one of the most egregious of them. However, I do wonder why those policies were so appealing to the electorate. I also wonder why, with a population the size of the USA’s, the electorate had such a dreadful choice.

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I agree with Peter Goble’s support of the analysis from Jayne Warner, why he was elected.

The career politicians have been doing very little for the general working public whilst their salaries, perks, pensions etc have been on a steady climb. A backlash against the lack of progress to improve the world, or the lack of progress for a level playing field for all (I refer to tax breaks that are available only to people who are cash millionaires/footballers) was inevitable.

The first backlash came with Brexit - a campaign cleverly conducted on a simple basis. It was conducted by outraging a malleable element of the public. (Please note that I am NOT saying all Brexiteers are malleable, merely that the Brexit campaign did a much better job of getting the ‘undecided’ over to their side). The vote ended up as almost an anti-establishment, anti-politician vote.

The second backlash came in the USA,

It was well known in the 70s and 80s that by grabbing and controlling the mass market’s main source of (perceived) facts (it was then the Sun [newspaper]) the outcome of an election could be won. How nobody saw this coming again is a bit of a mystery. The media has changed, 24hr news channels, build your own NEWS channel on the web, tweet the opponent into submission etc but the tactic is the same. Bludgeon the other side with scare stories. Grab the attention of the big rump in the centre and feed them your stories repeatedly.
Win an election.

Where will this happen next???
Maybe we should look at an election where the incumbent is walking dead, one new hope has found to be taking all the advantages he can from the ‘perks system’, one is a bit of a newbie. There’s another who has a sizeable stable backing and would just need to squeeze a couple of opponents into the gutter to snaffle up all of their votes. Just need some good populist headlines/ soundbites to swing a million voters here, a million there and oh, guess what?

Now where shall we look for such a situation?

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Trump has popular support from people because of the recession. After any recession voters are very easily split and the population always become more right wing, during any recession or depression, with austerity taking on the mantle for the conservative millionaire/business community.
It’s a very old, tried and tested strategy by industrialists, investment bankers and those who have vested interests in arms trading, fossil-fuel industries and agro-chemicals. I think the common name has to be "divide and rule"
I have no doubt whatsoever that a deliberate strategy of conflict (international) over-lending, over-commercialisation, has been repeatedly used for generations to undermine real progress (anti poverty, sustainable development, human rights)

I feel Trump has won a major battle on behalf of the far right wing and it’s now time we all remembered what people fought for in two world wars.

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