My experiment?
It means control.
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Susan,
In your everyday life, what have you lost control of since been part of the EU?
Martin
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She doesnāt need to, she suggested you do your own research if only to counter her claims. Its not hard is it.
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Thank you youāre a gentleman.
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http://www.euexit.com/ http://eutruth.org.uk/ a couple of non political sites that may or may not interest you
Have left a couple of sites for your perusal, however, I would be very happy to hear about all the so called benefits the UK has received for being part of the EUā¦and the benefits for EU citizens, as poverty even among the working, is spiralling out of control within Europe!
Control of what? What is it that you donāt you have control over as a UK resident?
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So Coralyn says she voted for Brexit because of -
- being forced to scrap the Ā£ and use the ā¬
- paying for a European army
- continuing to have unlimited immigration
- being governed by a bunch of āunelectedā people
and thatā¦ - they would have bled us dry
Well - Iāve done my own research and I canāt find any evidence to support and of these wild allegations. So yes @anon29800096 it is hard. Iām simply asking @somnus (Coralyn) to help me out - she seems unable to do so - just like all Brexit supporters. Yawn, yawn.
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Itās probably been said before on this thread, but maybe it needs saying again - I think part of the fundamental problem is that the UK has never done anything (AFAIK) towards raising public awareness about positive benefits of being in the EU, and the UK press generally focuses on the negative. In other countries itās different, for instance the France the government has set up various websites so that folks here can find out about and appreciate the opportunities and the assistance France gets from the EU and feel more involved in it, eg Home | Europe en France, the european funds portal in France , And the French media regularly report on EU discussions and decisions, even when France isnāt directly affected - such as the discussions about possible sanctions against Poland, what to do about Italyās immigrant problems, etc. Iām not sure which is cause and which is effect - is the mistrust a result of the lack of awareness, or is awareness blocked out because of mistrust - but I am convinced that this disaffection / lack of understanding what the EU is about / feeling of alienation has a lot to do with the āus and themā stance and could have been avoided if the UK had taken a more active interest in the EU from the start. But it didnāt, and now itās too late, and thatās why regretfully I accepted that Brexit could probably have been for the best if it had been handled well. Trouble is, it isnāt being - because itās now becoming painfully obvious that the reason very little information or clarification about the EU ever got percolated down to Mr & Mrs Bloggs, is that it never properly percolated into the heads of those that should have been explaining it, and who are now negotiating Brexit.
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Sure, together with a couple of downsides of Brexit! 
- Membership has boosted trade with access to a $19.6 trillion a year Single Market of 743m people
- The EU has helped open global markets to UK firms
- Membership has increased flows of investment into the UK
- Free movement of labour has brougĀĀĀĀht benefits and employment to the UK economy - specifically in those areas viewed as āundesirableā by the indigenous population.
- The freedom to live, work and retire anywhere in the EU
- More robust consumer protection laws
- The UKās net budgetary contribution is a small net cost relative to the benefits - 50.6% of UK imports come from the EU with exports from the UK to the EU amounting to 45.1% of all exports.
- The UK will not automatically retain its current access to the EU market upon exit, it all needs to be renegotiated
- Britainās established markets, including Europe, are likely to be crucial for some time to come
- Overall, business (CBI) believes that leaving the EU would be bad for them and bad for Britain
- The EU (excluding the UK) has a 743m population, compared to the UKās 65 million, and its economy is almost seven times the size of the UKās.
- The UK economy has just fallen to the bottom of the EU growth league (Eurostat / 1st quarter 2017)
- The UK is more dependent on the EU for its trade than the EU is on the UK. Around half of the UKās total trade is with the EU, while just 11% of EU trade is with the UK
- And of course - reciprocal healthcare agreements.
I could go on but Iām getting bored now.
So - could we please have some of the reasons why on earth UK immigrants in France voted for Brexit - backed up with facts if at all possible - just for once - in fact just one fact would be good. Do remember weāve already covered off boat building
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I have never said that I am anti Europeans as a peopleā¦I donāt want to live in America so does that make me anti American with your stupid comment.
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Show me the evidenceā¦and donāt quote the Guardian!
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Electing those in controlā¦not possible when part of the EU, in fact may as well make our Members redundant1
I would add to Simonās list the massive amount of EU funding that was pumped into regeneration when areas of the UK, like Sheffield, were in a sorry state after the coal mining industry died. The difference this made to quality of life in those areas is immense. Plus the many other EU funded projects that are ongoing which the places concerned are now worried will grind to a halt after Brexit because the UK government wonāt step in and continue to support them.
Whilst having quick google to find figures for regeneration in South Yorkshire, this piece from 2013 caught my eye - http://sheffieldcityregion.org.uk/2013/07/fighting-for-a-fair-deal-from-europe/ - Sheffield asking the EU to make the UK government give it a fair piece of the cake when distributing the money the EU had allocated to the UK, seems to be a certain irony there 
we want our elected UK govt in control surely, how can those unelected bureaucrats have any concept of whatās right and fair? This article mentions Ā£750m in the 1990s, another Ā£820m in the 2000s, turning a wasteland into an inspiring environment, creating employment, giving people hope and a future where before they had none (or should I say ādidnāt have anyā ) , but I guess people arenāt important.
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Coralyn, I wouldnāt bother replying. Simonās looking for an argument and you and I are just feeding it. If you present any facts they still wonāt be right, or acceptable, or justified. And he will keep on asking till kingdom come because heās not open to a different point of view, not even a teensy bit. No doubt this will provoke more pompous ācome on, convince meā verbosity. Not our job ā¦ he can go out and research it himself. But meanwhile he might stop trying to bully people off the board for having an opinion which dares to differ from his ownā¦
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The Guardian??? The stats are from the CBI - just have a look!
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You voted to leave the EU not the US!
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I donāt want you to reply Sandy! I would however like Coralyn to answer just one of my questions. Iāve answered hers after all.
ps - just to be clear ā¦youāve accused me of bullying? Please provide examples (just as soon as you can) as that is a very hurtful, defamatory and serious allegation.
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Yes you are bullying Simon, evident by the way you write. You have an uncanny knack of purposely winding up people, especially the ladies, talking of which I donāt think Coralyn or any of the ladies would appreciate being addressed as āLuvvieā
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